{"id":65071,"date":"2002-04-23T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2002-04-23T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2002\/04\/23\/mise-au-point\/"},"modified":"2002-04-23T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2002-04-23T00:00:00","slug":"mise-au-point","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2002\/04\/23\/mise-au-point\/","title":{"rendered":"Mise au point<\/em><\/strong>"},"content":{"rendered":"

Mise au point<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n

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\t23 avril 2002 — Il y a eu une controverse feutr\u00e9e \u00e0 Washington apr\u00e8s la participation de Paul Wolfowitz, n\u00b02 du Pentagone et leader des super-faucons de l’administration, \u00e0 la manifestation pro-Isra\u00ebl du 15 avril \u00e0 Washington, devant une foule de 100.000 personnes. La manifestation \u00e9tait extr\u00eamement radicale, et Wolfowitz se trouvait au c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Benjamin Netanyahou, qui effectue une tourn\u00e9e de promotion de la cause isra\u00e9lienne aux USA. (Netanyahou, ancien premier ministre isra\u00e9lien, a pris une position maximaliste. Il reproche \u00e0 Sharon d’\u00eatre trop mod\u00e9r\u00e9.) Il y a eu un discours de Wolfowitz,<\/a> avec des remous. Wolfowitz s’est fait siffler lorsqu’il a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 qu’il fallait aussi consid\u00e9rer le sort des Palestiniens, que la plupart d’entre eux \u00e9taient compromis par des terroristes irresponsables et ne devaient pas \u00eatre confondus avec eux, qu’ils souffraient \u00e9galement. Ces propos mod\u00e9r\u00e9s et conciliants pour les Palestiniens n’ont pas plu \u00e0 la foule.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz a \u00e9t\u00e9 attaqu\u00e9 de deux c\u00f4t\u00e9s pour sa participation :<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• Par les plus extr\u00e9mistes des pro-isra\u00e9liens, pour avoir dit des paroles conciliantes et compatissantes pour les Palestiniens.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• D’une fa\u00e7on plus g\u00e9n\u00e9rale et dans un sens inverse, pour avoir particip\u00e9 \u00e0 une manifestation organis\u00e9e par un lobby d’un pays \u00e9tranger (le lobby pro-isra\u00e9lien) en tant que membre de l’administration, et \u00e8s-qualit\u00e9.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tUne interview (par Eric Schmitt) de Wolfowitz a \u00e9t\u00e9 publi\u00e9 dans le New York Times<\/em>, et diffus\u00e9e par le Pentagone le 22 avril. Une partie de l’intervention est directement et pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment consacr\u00e9e aux circonstances ayant conduit \u00e0 l’intervention de Wolfowitz. Il s’agit de points de d\u00e9tails sans importance en temps normal, dont l’\u00e9vocation si pr\u00e9cise pourrait surprendre \u00e0 premi\u00e8re vue. L’explication est \u00e9videmment que tout cela est \u00e9voqu\u00e9 \u00e0 la demande implicite de Wolfowitz, qui tient ainsi \u00e0 faire savoir qu’il n’est pour rien dans la d\u00e9cision conduisant \u00e0 sa pr\u00e9sence \u00e0 la manifestation, qu’il y a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9 par l’administration, et m\u00eame par le pr\u00e9sident lui-m\u00eame ; cette explication vaut autant pour les ultras pro-isra\u00e9liens qui l’accuseraient de mod\u00e9ration excessive, que pour ceux qui l’accusent d’usurper ses fonctions.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCet \u00e9pisode nous indique clairement deux choses :<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• que les batailles internes au sein de l’administration sont extr\u00eamement vives, impliquant la maison-Blanche comme un des acteurs plut\u00f4t que comme un arbitre.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• que les extr\u00e9mistes neo-cons<\/em>, dont Wolfowitz est le chef au sein de l’administration, sont loin d’\u00eatre seulement des manipulateurs, comme on les en accuse. Ils sont aussi manipul\u00e9s et peuvent \u00eatre utilis\u00e9s comme bouc-\u00e9missaire d’une radicalisation temporaire et tactique de la politique de la Maison-Blanche (dans le cas qui nous occupe, pour calmer les critiques des r\u00e9publicains conservateurs).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tL’interview de Wolfowitz ayant \u00e9t\u00e9 repris par le service d’information du Pentagone, on peut en d\u00e9duire que Rumsfeld soutient Wolfowitz dans cette affaire, ce qui est d’ailleurs logique. Ci-dessous, nous publions le d\u00e9but de l’interview, le passage consacr\u00e9 \u00e0 ces explications de Wolfowitz. (Dans le texte : Carl Rove est le secr\u00e9taire g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de la Maison Blanche, Condoleeza Rice la conseill\u00e8re du pr\u00e9sident pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, Steve Hadley est du NSC et Richard Armitage n\u00b02 du State department).<\/p>\n

Interview de Paul Wolfowitz, par Eric Schmitt, du New York Times<\/h3>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: Again, thank you very much for your time.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWe really were interested in the speech and kind of the timing of all of this obviously coming in the midst of what’s going on in the Middle East, Secretary Powell’s trip. I wondered if you could maybe just start with the origin of the speech. I heard you were asked on Friday to come up with something within basically 48 hours for the Monday rally. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: Yeah.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: Talk a little bit about how that evolved. Who asked you and when did you get the word?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: Carl Rove called up and said we just had a meeting with the president and he wants you to speak to this rally, and it became clear that the \u00a0\u00bbwants you to\u00a0\u00bb was very firm. So it was Friday afternoon and we basically had 48 hours to get it done.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: What was your assignment? Did you know about the rally at the time or did you have …<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: Actually it was the first I heard of it. I did not know it was happening. The whole thing I think was pretty spontaneous. And I guess to this day I don’t know the thoughts that went into the pros and cons of speaking there. I could guess …<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: It’s interesting that Carl Rove called you and not Condi Rice.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: No, actually, I said isn’t there anyone else who could do it? He said no, Condi’s the only other choice and she was in the meeting and you weren’t. [Laughter] … No, I think he was a messenger.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: So when you, did they give you any sense of how they wanted you to address this group, or was that really up to you?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: I think it was up to me to figure out and we worked pretty much all weekend, different phases, came up with when I say we it definitely includes me. I had a draft that I took home Sunday night and worked a long time on. And Monday morning<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tgave it to Steve Hadley and Rich Armitage for clearance, and both of them said it was fine. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: Did they change anything?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: No.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: Was there anybody, anyone at the White House or State or even here at Defense that thought you maybe shouldn’t speak, that this was putting you in a difficult position?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: No, I don’t think so.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: Any reservations expressed by the secretary here or …<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: I in fact told Rumsfeld and he said go do it.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: We’ll talk a little bit about the crafting of this speech. I was told you were going to get a brief down at Fort Bragg, I guess. You were juggling a lot of —<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: I spent most of Sunday down in North Carolina.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t(…)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: I know a lot of people interpreted you as being the envoy or the emissary for the president in the speech as an attempt to kind of mollify some of the conservative critics who had challenged the administration’s Middle East policy [inaudible] the Israelis [stopped] their campaign there. … What’s going through your mind as you draft your remarks in terms of trying to strike that balance? Addressing a group with<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\ta pro-Israel solidarity speech, but a group that’s also, a rally that puts them critical with Secretary Powell’s Middle East peace effort.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: I’m not sure it was. I think there were a lot of different views out there, some more vocal than others. And in fact the organizers very specifically said it’s not a rally to<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tcriticize the administration. I think if it had been we wouldn’t have gone. And it was described as, and I think it was a rally to show support for Israel and a concern for Israel, which clearly the president shares. And I think it’s important both for that audience, but actually also for the foreign audience, that is to say the Israeli audience in this case, well actually the whole foreign audience, to make it clear that he shares that concern. At the same time this made my job more difficult than any other speaker at the rally. I had to try to present the whole range of our policy and not just the part that is sympathetic to Israel. And I guess that’s what drew the strong audience reaction.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tQ: What was your reaction to that? You’re obviously one of the most pro-Israel figures in the administration, identified as such. What did you feel like —<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWolfowitz: You know, can I say I don’t like that label? I’m pro-American I think. I think everyone in this administration is sympathetic and supportive of Israel and every one of us also understands that we have interests that aren’t necessarily the same as Israel’s. But I believe very strongly that quite fundamentally it is important to recognize the humanity of both sides in a conflict. That’s why I said what I said. I also think that’s U.S. policy. And I also knew that passions have been stirred to a point that that would be a difficult passage for the crowd. I suppose there was a little more audience interaction than I nticipated. But I knew it would be a hard thing for some of them to hear.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tI would also say no one was going to cheer that line in that crowd, but there were an awful lot of people who came up to me afterwards from that crowd who said thank you for saying that. It was important to say that also.<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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