{"id":65561,"date":"2003-04-09T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2003-04-09T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2003\/04\/09\/en-regardant-lirak-pensez-a-lafghanistan\/"},"modified":"2003-04-09T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2003-04-09T00:00:00","slug":"en-regardant-lirak-pensez-a-lafghanistan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2003\/04\/09\/en-regardant-lirak-pensez-a-lafghanistan\/","title":{"rendered":"En regardant l’Irak, pensez \u00e0 l’Afghanistan<\/em><\/strong>"},"content":{"rendered":"

En regardant l’Irak, pensez \u00e0 l’Afghanistan<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n

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\t9 avril 2003 Parmi les premiers textes que YellowTimes.org met en ligne apr\u00e8s son interruption de deux semaines<\/a>, celui de Matthew Riemer est int\u00e9ressant. Il commence par nous parler de l’Irak, c’est le fait du jour, \u00e9videmment, puisque tout s’effondre \u00e0 Bagdad, que le pillage g\u00e9n\u00e9ral remplace aujourd’hui les combats de rue sporadiques ; et, tr\u00e8s vite, il bifurque sur la situation en Afghanistan, au fond comme s’il nous parlait de l’Irak dans un an.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tPour savoir ce qui va se passer en Irak dans les prochains mois, sans doute l’exemple afghan est-il int\u00e9ressant, et d’autant plus \u00e0 cause des vainqueurs qu’\u00e0 cause des situations locales. L’exemple afghan, c’est-\u00e0-dire une d\u00e9gradation de la situation suivant une victoire tr\u00e8s rapide et compl\u00e8te.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tDeux \u00e9l\u00e9ments vont jouer, qui font envisager de fa\u00e7on peu optimiste un processus rapide de r\u00e9tablissement de l’ordre \u00e0 Bagdad et en Irak :<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• d’une part, la m\u00e9connaissance qu’ont les Am\u00e9ricains des moeurs non-am\u00e9ricaines, et surtout leur d\u00e9sint\u00e9r\u00eat d’en apprendre l\u00e0-dessus, par cons\u00e9quent leur r\u00e9ticence absolue de jouer quelque r\u00f4le que ce soit qui soit autre chose que la supervision des int\u00e9r\u00eats nationaux am\u00e9ricains, et de manipulation, plus ou moins v\u00e9nale, des diff\u00e9rents acteurs qu’ils auront impos\u00e9s ;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t• d’autre part, leur crainte des pertes et des incidents pouvant aboutir \u00e0 des pertes, qui fait qu’ils ne consid\u00e8rent pas, par prudence extr\u00eame, qu’ils puissent prendre de v\u00e9ritable mesure de contr\u00f4le avant de parvenir \u00e0 un chiffre de force tout \u00e0 fait important. Ce matin, les Am\u00e9ricains n’intervenaient pas dans les mouvements de pillage, se contentant de les observer parce que le haut-commandement estime qu’avec un contingent de 25.000 hommes, toute intervention de maintien de l’ordre est compl\u00e8tement inenvisageable. A quel niveau de force les Am\u00e9ricains veulent-ils parvenir pour envisager d’intervenir de fa\u00e7on structurelle et efficace ? 50.000 hommes ? Quand les auront-ils ? <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCe qui est le plus remarquable, c’est le scepticisme, la crainte de la d\u00e9stabilisation, qui accompagnent une victoire compl\u00e8tement inattendue, et qui a plut\u00f4t l’air de figurer comme un \u00e9v\u00e9nement trouble-f\u00eate, qui d\u00e9range une planification, plut\u00f4t qu’une opportunit\u00e9 \u00e0 exploiter.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tVoici le texte de Riemer :<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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Winning isn’t everything <\/h2>\n<\/p>\n

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\tBy Matthew Riemer, April 07, 2003, YellowTimes.org<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWhen the United States \u00a0\u00bbwins\u00a0\u00bb the war in Iraq, the Bush administration and war advocates, ranging from the naively idealistic neocons to former pseudo-lefties like Nat Hentoff, better hope it’s not the kind of victory enjoyed in Afghanistan. Because if it is, in 18 months time American youngsters will still be dying there, and the country will be in a <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tstate of virtual anarchy. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tOverzealous war critics, including even such mainstream voices as Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, have repeatedly alluded to quagmires and Vietnam-like scenarios in Iraq. This is unlikely, to say the least, as any comparison to Vietnam is historically inaccurate and references to quagmires avoid the obvious reality that if the U.S. were truly \u00a0\u00bbbogged down\u00a0\u00bb and taking heavy casualties, they would simply wipe the country of Iraq off the face of the earth. The U.S. military will never wallow in a protracted, significant conflict again. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCountering this view, giddily optimistic war advocates often mention the success of the invasion of Afghanistan, pointing to the fact that that war, too, began with setbacks and doubts, which naysayers pounced on in the early days of the conflict. At this point, the authors often trail off into a factless world liberally doused with rhetoric of \u00a0\u00bbliberation\u00a0\u00bb and such. The <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\treader is left to assume that Afghanistan is still the topic of discussion, and one can only deduce that the authors feel they’ve just made a succinct and telling point. Of course, any review of what’s been happening in Afghanistan since its \u00a0\u00bbliberation\u00a0\u00bb is nowhere to be found. Though, perhaps, this is as indicative of Americans’ attention span, as it is a fact that <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tAfghanistan is far from \u00a0\u00bbliberated.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tThe United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) has just been extended for another year amid rising and renewed security concerns as Islamist activity continues to increase once again. Many warlords and those with any kind of military or political power openly deride interim president Hamid Karzai by calling him the \u00a0\u00bbmayor of Kabul.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tAs noted previously on YellowTimes.org, Afghanistan’s poppy production has now returned to astronomical levels following the ouster of the Taliban. The reason for this is twofold: the Karzai administration is too weak and decentralized to actually physically enforce any kind of written law concerning the matter, while the commitments from outsiders are too impotent; poppy remains the only truly viable cash crop in a country greatly affected by decades of warfare and a concomitant lack of sincere rebuilding efforts. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tThe latter model continues to this day. Karzai recently traveled to Washington before the invasion of Iraq pleading not to be forgotten once the \u00a0\u00bbnew\u00a0\u00bb war was underway. While admitting that much has improved like an increase in the number of media outlets and the return of many refugees his desperateness is almost palpable as he talks about the increasingly militant and recalcitrant warlords as the biggest problem facing his country. And Karzai is no fool. He’s a Western-educated, privileged Afghan who is not unfamiliar with the fate of other \u00a0\u00bbinterim governments\u00a0\u00bb in \u00a0\u00bbwar-torn countries.\u00a0\u00bb He knows very well Afghanistan could easily slip into another significant civil war and that his own days may be numbered. Indeed, this is already taking shape as fighting has increased in many areas of the country. The United Nations has even curtailed some of its aid work in the past several weeks due to such unpredictable and insecure conditions. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tAll this despite a few thousand international \u00a0\u00bbpeacekeepers,\u00a0\u00bb 10,000-plus U.S. troops, and a couple billion dollars in aid with which to work. Of course, the question has always been not whether it is truly an enigma to stabilize this keystone Central Asian country but whether this is what those most responsible for its rebuilding actually desire a stable, secure, <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\teconomically competitive (at least regionally) Afghanistan. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tSo it is with great accuracy that many critics have pointed out that the Bush administration’s most daunting task is not the aerial bombardment of fleeing or entrenched Republican Guard units but the incredibly intricate and delicate rebuilding and restructuring of not only Iraq’s infrastructure but its society and culture. And it shouldn’t even be considered sarcasm to <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tsay that these nuances far exceed the cultural and socio-economic understanding and appreciation of anyone in the current U.S. administration individuals more suited to the running of a fraternity house than reconciling differences in Iraq that are hundreds of years old. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tAfghanistan was the first country on the U.S.’ list in the Bush administration’s new \u00a0\u00bbwar on terror.\u00a0\u00bb They’ve now moved on to their second target, Iraq, before really finishing or even securing the first. If this continues, and in 18 months both Iraq and Afghanistan are unstable, <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tinsecure, and unpredictable as ever, what will the administration’s solution be then? Will they just leave a string of destabilized countries in their vengeful wake? Isn’t this what they are trying to solve in the first place? <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWe may never know the answers to these questions and many more like them as the headlines in the Western media may very well be obsessed with the next target on the list. Whether it be Syria, Iran, North Korea, or Saudi Arabia is of little importance. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWhether it takes 200 coalition troops or 2000, two weeks or two months, there is no doubt that the U.S. and its unflinching junior partner, the U.K., will \u00a0\u00bbwin\u00a0\u00bb this current war, but as any historian worth their salt can tell you, this is the least of their concerns. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t[Matthew Riemer has written for years about a myriad of topics, such as: philosophy, religion, psychology, culture, and politics. He studied Russian language and culture for five years and traveled in the former Soviet Union in 1990. In the midst of a larger autobiographical\/cultural work, Matthew is the Director of Operations at YellowTimes.org. He lives in the United States.]<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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