{"id":66110,"date":"2004-10-25T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2004-10-25T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2004\/10\/25\/une-guerre-jusqua-epuisement-de-plus-en-plus-rapide-des-usa\/"},"modified":"2004-10-25T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2004-10-25T00:00:00","slug":"une-guerre-jusqua-epuisement-de-plus-en-plus-rapide-des-usa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2004\/10\/25\/une-guerre-jusqua-epuisement-de-plus-en-plus-rapide-des-usa\/","title":{"rendered":"Une guerre jusqu’\u00e0 \u00e9puisement (de plus en plus rapide) des USA ?<\/em><\/strong>"},"content":{"rendered":"

Une guerre jusqu’\u00e0 \u00e9puisement (de plus en plus rapide) des USA ?<\/h3>\n<\/p>\n

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\t25 octobre 2004 Des pr\u00e9cisions sur la guerre contre la terreur donn\u00e9es \u00e0 Defense News, dans ses \u00e9ditions du 18 octobre<\/a>, par le d\u00e9put\u00e9 d\u00e9mocrate John Murtha, nous fournissent des indications stup\u00e9fiantes sur les perspectives budg\u00e9taires du conflit. (Murtha est le chef de file des d\u00e9mocrates au House Appropriations Subcommittee, qui, \u00e0 la Chambre, suit le budget militaire.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tNous reproduisons ci-dessous le texte de Defense News<\/em>, tant l’int\u00e9r\u00eat des explications de Murtha est \u00e9vidente. Les explications concernent d’abord les programmes du Pentagone puis s’\u00e9largissent au co\u00fbt g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de la guerre. D’un point de vue g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, il appara\u00eet que cette guerre est en train de drainer de fa\u00e7on fondamentale une part de plus en plus importante des ressources am\u00e9ricaines. Au terme de quelques ann\u00e9es, elle risque litt\u00e9ralement d’asphyxier financi\u00e8rement les Etats-Unis.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCe qui est remarquable, c’est de voir la diversit\u00e9 des domaines affect\u00e9s, jusqu’au syst\u00e8me hospitalier qui semble n’\u00eatre pas capable, aux USA, de recevoir les bless\u00e9s de la guerre irakienne. (Notamment, des bless\u00e9s soign\u00e9s par amputation : effectivement, nombre des blessures caus\u00e9es le sont par des \u00e9clats rasants de bombes qui endommagent gravement les membres et conduisent \u00e0 des amputations ; ces pr\u00e9cisions de Murtha semblent \u00e9galement indiquer que les bless\u00e9s sont nombreux, peut-\u00eatre plus qu’il n’est officiellement annonc\u00e9.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tLe texte donne une impression g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de l’Am\u00e9rique s’installant dans la guerre avec des perspectives de co\u00fbts pharaoniques, sans aucune perspective de les r\u00e9duire puisque la guerre elle-m\u00eame est per\u00e7ue selon ce mod\u00e8le d’une dur\u00e9e ind\u00e9finie. Les \u00e9valuations de d\u00e9penses portant sur $553 milliards sur une d\u00e9cennie pour la seule guerre d’Irak devraient \u00eatre d\u00e9pass\u00e9es selon l’exp\u00e9rience pass\u00e9e ($229 milliards d\u00e9pens\u00e9s pour la guerre contre la terreur depuis le 11 septembre 2001, soit plus de $100 milliards\/an alors que les estimations de fin 2001 \u00e9taient de $15-$30 milliards\/an). Il est tr\u00e8s probable que l’on d\u00e9passera largement les $1.000 milliards d’ici 2010, de d\u00e9penses compl\u00e8tement improductives.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tComme l’avertit Murtha, il est \u00e9vident que la programmation du Pentagone va \u00eatre rudement secou\u00e9e, avec la priorit\u00e9 donn\u00e9e aux \u00e9quipements de la guerre. Les programmes d’avions de combat F\/A-22 et JSF (surtout le JSF, qui n’est pas encore tr\u00e8s avanc\u00e9) devraient conna\u00eetre des \u00e9talements dans le temps, avec des retards de 2 ans (F\/A-22) et 5 ans (JSF) minimum, et des augmentations de co\u00fbt allant avec ces \u00e9talements.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tIl semble difficile de donner une vue d’ensemble d’une tendance qui rec\u00e8le des risques extr\u00eamement s\u00e9rieux d’effondrement du syst\u00e8me. Ces risques sont d’autant plus s\u00e9rieux qu’il n’existe aucune autorit\u00e9, notamment politique, disposant d’assez de cr\u00e9dit et d’influence pour tenter de contr\u00f4ler, de contenir et de r\u00e9duire cette tendance. Personne n’est capable non plus d’envisager de mettre fin \u00e0 une guerre (contre la Terreur) dont l’inutilit\u00e9, l’inefficacit\u00e9 et la stupidit\u00e9 sont av\u00e9r\u00e9es. Il semble que le syst\u00e8me de l’am\u00e9ricanisme, d\u00e9j\u00e0 incontr\u00f4lable au niveau politique et psychologique, doive le devenir \u00e9galement au niveau strat\u00e9gique et budg\u00e9taire. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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U.S. Lawmakers Warn War Could Delay Arms Buys <\/h2>\n<\/p>\n

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\tBy William Matthews, Defense News, 18 October, 2004<\/strong> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tMajor weapon purchases are likely to be delayed and put off next year as the U.S. Defense Department redirects money to pay the rising cost of the war in Iraq, said Rep. John Murtha, the top Democrat on the House subcommittee that funds the military. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tBudgets for high-priced weapons like the F\/A-22 stealth fighter and the Joint Strike Fighter almost certainly will be trimmed, Murtha, D-Pa., a member of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said in an interview. There’s no way you can fund those things. The cost of this war is eating up everything. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tThe Pentagon is spending about $6 billon a month on fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Murtha and Rep. John Spratt, D-S.C., the senior Democrat on the House Budget Committee. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tOn top of that, the Army will soon be spending $6 billion a year to repair tanks, Humvees and other equipment worn and damaged by use in the war, Murtha said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tAnd of course we’re looking at more health care costs, he said. You’re talking about big bills when you get into that kind of stuff. We’re trying to take care of it the best we can. For instance, we just put $7 million into three hospitals because of amputees and so forth. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tIn an interview Oct. 8, Murtha, Spratt and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the House minority leader, warned that war costs are going up while conditions in Iraq are deteriorating. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\tHigh Costs, on Many Levels<\/strong> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tMurtha said discussions he has had with troops in Iraq and in hospitals here have convinced him that rank-and-file troops are turning sour on the Iraq mission and that the American public may not be far behind. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tSo far Iraq, Afghanistan and the war on terrorism have cost $229 billion, Spratt said. Not all of that has been spent yet, but that much has been appropriated. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWar spending is really draining the resources for this country and soon will start affecting other federal programs, Murtha warned. You’ll see fewer services by the government for things people feel are important. You’ll see all kinds of things in the United States being under-funded. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tWhen programs like Social Security appear to be in jeopardy, the public will quickly turn against the war and press for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, he said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tI believe it would be a disaster for us to pull out of there, he said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tSpratt said the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Iraq war will cost $553 billion over a decade. It is a very substantial sum. Sooner or later, this is going to take away from other priorities in the defense budget, he said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tPelosi said the financial picture is made more grim by the failure of allies to deliver on pledges of financial support for the war. Of about $15 billion pledged, only $1 billion has been delivered, she said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tMurtha outlined three steps for easing the U.S. burden in Iraq. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tOne is you have to internationalize it, Murtha said. You’ve got to get help money-wise and troop-wise from other countries. I don’t know how you do that now that the war is going badly, but that’s what’s got to be done. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tSecond, you’ve got the Iraqi people to work. Fifty percent unemployment in Iraq is adding to the instability and violence, he said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tThird, Iraqitize it. Get them to take over, Murtha said. That means training more members for an Iraqi defense forces. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tThere are only 200 to 250 trainers in Iraq now, he said. U.S. Defense Department plans called for 600. There should be 1,200, Murtha said. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tEven if an Iraqi defense force can be trained, it is likely that substantial numbers of U.S. troops will have to remain in Iraq for years to come, he said.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\t[Notre recommandation est que ce texte doit \u00eatre lu avec la mention classique \u00e0 l’esprit, Disclaimer: In accordance with 17 U.S.C. 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only..]<\/em><\/strong> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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