{"id":66264,"date":"2005-03-16T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2005-03-16T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2005\/03\/16\/berlusconi-cede-mais-non-vous-eux-nous-ny-comprenons-vraiment-rien\/"},"modified":"2005-03-16T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2005-03-16T00:00:00","slug":"berlusconi-cede-mais-non-vous-eux-nous-ny-comprenons-vraiment-rien","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2005\/03\/16\/berlusconi-cede-mais-non-vous-eux-nous-ny-comprenons-vraiment-rien\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cBerlusconi c\u00e8de\u201d? Mais non, vous, eux, nous n’y comprenons vraiment rien!<\/em><\/strong>"},"content":{"rendered":"

Berlusconi c\u00e8de? Mais non, vous, eux, nous n’y comprenons vraiment rien!<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n

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\t16 mars 2005 Nous sommes de colossaux cr\u00e9tins n\u00e9andertaliens d’avoir cru que Berlusconi avait c\u00e9d\u00e9. C\u00e9der, Berlusconi<\/a>? Et c\u00e9der \u00e0 la pression populaire \u00e0 cause de l’incident o\u00f9 les G.I. ont tir\u00e9 sur la voiture ramenant l’otage Giuliana Sgenia et tu\u00e9 le n\u00b03 des SR italiens?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tBerlusconi n’a pas c\u00e9d\u00e9, idiots invert\u00e9br\u00e9s que nous sommes Plus simplement, Berlusconi a compris que tout est sur le point d’aller beaucoup mieux en Irak, non, que tout va mieux en Irak et qu’en septembre cela ira tellement bien que les Italiens pourront commencer \u00e0 partir. Voil\u00e0 ce qui s’est pass\u00e9, point final. Lisez donc ces quelques paragraphes pr\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9s du titre de \u00ab Italy troop withdrawal not tied to shooting White House<\/em> \u00bb:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\t\u00ab Italy’s decision to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq this year was not connected to the death of an Italian intelligence officer shot by American forces, the White House said on Tuesday.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t(…)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb White House spokesman Scott McClellan said those comments were similar to ones he made last week to the Italian senate. Asked whether Italy’s decision was tied to the shooting incident, McClellan said he had not heard Italian officials saying that. I’m not sure I’d make a connection there, he said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t(…)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb If you look at what he (Berlusconi) said last week and what he said again today, this will be based on the ability and capability of Iraqi forces and the Iraqi government to be able to assume more responsibility and that he will work in agreement with allies in the region before taking those steps, McClellan said. And we certainly appreciate the contributions of the Italians. They have served and sacrificed alongside Iraqis and alongside other coalition forces, he said.<\/em> \u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\tOn pourrait croire de fa\u00e7on s\u00e9rieuse et entendue que la question serait de savoir jusqu’o\u00f9 ils ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de prendre les gens pour des machines \u00e0 enregistrer sans entendre ni \u00e9couter, encore moins r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir et juger. S’ils se prennent eux-m\u00eames pour r\u00e9f\u00e9rences, cela peut aller loin. Mais non, cette question n’est qu’anecdotique.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tLe v\u00e9ritable enseignement serait qu’\u00e0 force de d\u00e9biter leurs machins comme ils font, ils rendent un tr\u00e8s grand service \u00e0 ceux \u00e0 qui le rapport de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du monde importe. La machinerie gouvernementale \u00e9tant si totalement d\u00e9li\u00e9e de tout engagement, contrat, rapport quelconque avec la r\u00e9alit\u00e9, les liens qui nous tiennent \u00e0 elle, par reste d’habitude d’un vague respect de l’autorit\u00e9, finissent par se dissoudre et dispara\u00eetre compl\u00e8tement. Le champ est libre pour l’esprit critique. Le gouvernement devient une source parmi d’autres, et, sans aucun doute, c’est entendu, la plus ass\u00e9ch\u00e9e et la moins digne de foi de toutes.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCela nous permet de constater que, de leur c\u00f4t\u00e9 (du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des sources officielles), ce n’est pas moins la confusion que du n\u00f4tre lorsque nous lisons ces nouvelles contradictoires et berlusconiennes, et que c’est m\u00eame plut\u00f4t plus.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tPar exemple, c’est la confusion entre Blair et Berlusconi, sous l’il vigilant de GW et de son porte-parole McClellan, qui n’ont d’int\u00e9r\u00eat que pour les nouvelles interpr\u00e9t\u00e9es par Washington. La fa\u00e7on dont Berlusconi \u00e0 annonc\u00e9 la nouvelle du retrait de ses forces pr\u00eate effectivement \u00e0 confusion, et on imagine bien pourquoi, connaissant l’habilet\u00e9 l\u00e9gendaire du commandatore<\/em> qui veut rester amis avec tout le monde. On a vu par ailleurs que lorsque Berlusconi parle d’une d\u00e9cision concert\u00e9e avec Blair, et que d’aucuns pourraient croire que Blair s’int\u00e9resse \u00e0 cette d\u00e9cision jusqu’\u00e0 envisager de l’imiter, les choses sont aussit\u00f4t mises au point du c\u00f4t\u00e9 britannique, de cette fa\u00e7on (dans le Guardian, notamment<\/a>): \u00ab British defence sources last night repeated the British government’s stated policy that its troops will stay in Iraq as long as is necessary and as long as the Iraqis want us. Mr Berlusconi’s comments about a precise exit strategy were an aspiration or political guesswork, they added.<\/em> \u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tMais \u00e0 Washington, est-ce bien le cas? Lit-on la m\u00eame chose? On voit, dans cet article du Washington Times<\/a>, que Berlusconi prend la d\u00e9cision de retrait en concertation avec Tony Blair, comme si Tony Blair pourrait lui-m\u00eame avoir pris cette d\u00e9cision<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\t\u00ab As early as September, we will start a progressive reduction of the number of our soldiers in Iraq, the Italian prime minister said in an interview with a popular television talk show.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb Citing his discussion of the decision with Mr. Blair, the Italian leader hinted the British prime minister might be planning a similar move.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb Britain recently increased its troop commitment to Iraq but the British defense ministry has found it increasingly difficult to meet its armed forces’ peacekeeping commitments to work in different parts of the world.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb I spoke about this with Tony Blair and it is our countries’ public opinion that expects this decision, Mr. Berlusconi said.<\/em> \u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\t… Entretenons la confusion: comme, par ailleurs, McClellan nous dit que la d\u00e9cision de retrait de Berlusconi, apr\u00e8s tout, n’a rien \u00e0 voir avec les tirs US contre la voiture transportant l’otage italienne (quels tirs US? quelle voiture? quelle otage?) ; comme il nous dit que cette d\u00e9cision a tout \u00e0 voir avec l’am\u00e9lioration de la situation en Irak, d\u00e9cr\u00e9t\u00e9e par GW et par la d\u00e9mocratie Eh bien, Blair pourrait penser dans quelques jours ou quelques heures, en \u00e9coutant McClellan, qu’en effet, la situation est bien meilleure en Irak, et qu’il pourrait faire comme son ami Silvio, c’est-\u00e0-dire commencer \u00e0 quitter l’Irak Ol\u00e8!<\/em>, comme disait Zapatero en saluant Aznar dans la nuit du 15 au 16 mars 2004, il y a un an<\/a>. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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Rappel<\/h3>\n<\/p>\n

\tLisez ceci et dites-vous que, puisqu’on ne quitte l’Irak que quand tout va bien, la situation l\u00e0-bas doit \u00eatre sensationnelle.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t(Ce texte ci-dessous, sans pr\u00e9tention ni secret d’\u00e9tat, d’une de nos sources.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\t\u00ab Italy’s prime minister announced plans to start drawing down his country’s 3,000-strong contingent in Iraq in September, putting a fresh crack in President Bush’s crumbling coalition. Bulgaria also called for a partial withdrawal, and Ukraine welcomed home its first wave of returning troops. The moves come on top of the withdrawal of more than a dozen countries over the last year and could complicate efforts to keep the peace.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb The scramble to get out has taken the multinational force from a high of about 300,000 soldiers early in 2003 to 172,750 and falling. About 150,000 U.S. troops shoulder the bulk of the responsibility and suffer the most casualties. Some 137 Ukrainian servicemen returned home Tuesday, part of a gradual pullout of a 1,650-strong contingent to be completed in October. Ukraine has lost 18 soldiers in Iraq, and its people overwhelmingly oppose the deployment. The Netherlands formally ended its mission March 7, and the bulk of its 1,400 troops return home this month. The U.S. and British governments urged Dutch leaders to extend the mission, but they refused, saying they had met their commitments. Poland, which has command responsibility for a large swath of central Iraq, plans to withdraw several hundred of its 1,700 soldiers in July and hopes to pull out completely by year’s end or early in 2006. Among the nations that withdrew last year were Spain, which pulled out 1,300 soldiers; Tonga, 44; New Zealand, 60; Thailand, 423; the Philippines, 51; Honduras, 370; the Dominican Republic, 302; Nicaragua, 115; and Hungary, 300. Norway withdrew 150 troops but left 16 liaison officers, and Singapore withdrew 160, but later provided a landing ship tank and crew. Last month, Portugal withdrew its 127 soldiers, and Moldova pulled out its 12. In Bulgaria, which has 460 troops in Iraq, the deaths of eight soldiers have heightened public calls to bring them home. On Tuesday, President Georgi Parvanov urged a partial withdrawal, a proposal that parliament must now decide. Britain, with about 8,000 soldiers, and South Korea with 3,600 are standing firm. Australia, Albania and Georgia are boosting their presence. Yet surveys suggest opposition is running at roughly two-thirds in most coalition countries. In Albania, a staunch U.S. ally that plans to enlarge its 71-member contingent to 121 in April, there are fears the troops could end up paying with their lives.<\/em> \u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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