{"id":69020,"date":"2007-07-15T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-07-15T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2007\/07\/15\/et-puis-lafghanistan\/"},"modified":"2007-07-15T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-07-15T00:00:00","slug":"et-puis-lafghanistan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2007\/07\/15\/et-puis-lafghanistan\/","title":{"rendered":"Et puis, l&rsquo;Afghanistan\u2026"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Alors que toute l&rsquo;attention est port\u00e9e sur la catastrophique situation en Irak, les g\u00e9n\u00e9raux britanniques interviennent avec d\u00e9termination pour nous avertir que la situation est aussi grave, sinon pire en Afghanistan. Parmi d&rsquo;autres, l&rsquo;<em>Observer<\/em> signale <a href=\"http:\/\/observer.guardian.co.uk\/world\/story\/0,,2126817,00.html\" class=\"gen\">ce matin<\/a> cet avertissement des militaires britanniques. Ceux-ci parlent de d\u00e9faite pouvant conduire \u00e0 la chute du r\u00e9gime au Pakistan, \u00e0 des cons\u00e9quences gravissimes pour l&rsquo;OTAN et ainsi de suite. L&rsquo;Ouest anglo-saxon enfile les \u00ab<em>strategic failures<\/em>\u00bb comme autant de perles de son richissime collier des illusions perdues.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Amid fears that London and Washington are taking their eye off Afghanistan as they grapple with Iraq, the generals have told Number 10 that the collapse of the government in Afghanistan, headed by Hamid Karzai, would present a grave threat to the security of Britain.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Lord Inge, the former chief of the defence staff, highlighted their fears in public last week when he warned of a &lsquo;strategic failure&rsquo; in Afghanistan. The Observer understands that Inge was speaking with the direct authority of the general staff when he made an intervention in a House of Lords debate.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The situation in Afghanistan is much worse than many people recognise, Inge told peers. We need to face up to that issue, the consequence of strategic failure in Afghanistan and what that would mean for Nato&#8230; We need to recognise that the situation  in my view, and I have recently been in Afghanistan  is much, much more serious than people want to recognise.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Inge&rsquo;s remarks reflect the fears of serving generals that the government is so overwhelmed by Iraq that it is in danger of losing sight of the threat of failure in Afghanistan. One source, who is familiar with the fears of the senior officers, told The Observer: If you talk privately to the generals they are very very worried. You heard it in Inge&rsquo;s speech. Inge said we are failing and remember Inge speaks for the generals.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tInge soutient compl\u00e8tement les vues du leader lib\u00e9ral Lord Ashdown, qui peint pour l&rsquo;<em>Observer<\/em> une situation apocalyptique dans les cons\u00e9quences d&rsquo;une possible d\u00e9faite de l&rsquo;OTAN en Afghanistan : \u00ab<em>The consequences of failure in Afghanistan are far greater than in Iraq. If we fail in Afghanistan then Pakistan goes down. The security problems for Britain would be massively multiplied. I think you could not then stop a widening regional war that would start off in warlordism but it would become essentially a war in the end between Sunni and Shia right across the Middle East.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tAshdow estime qu&rsquo;une telle \u00e9volution aurait \u00e9galement des cons\u00e9quences catastrophiques pour l&rsquo;Ouest, en touchant l&rsquo;OTAN au cur et en conduisant \u00e9ventuellement \u00e0 une fracture transatlantique de l&rsquo;Ouest. \u00ab<em>It will be catastrophic for Nato. The damage done to Nato in Afghanistan would be as great as the damage done to the UN in Bosnia. That could have a severe impact on the Atlantic relationship and maybe even damage the American security guarantee for Europe.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tEn additionnant les diff\u00e9rentes activit\u00e9s occidentales, essentiellement anglo-saxonnes, depuis septembre 2001, il est difficile d&rsquo;imaginer dans l&rsquo;Histoire une situation de plus complet \u00e9chec d&rsquo;un ensemble imp\u00e9rial d&rsquo;une puissance militaire qui s&rsquo;affichait sans rivale concevable \u00e0 l&rsquo;origine de la p\u00e9riode. Bien plus qu&rsquo;un \u00e9chec strat\u00e9gique (ou plusieurs \u00e9checs strat\u00e9giques), nous parlerions d&rsquo;un \u00e9chec de civilisation s&rsquo;appuyant sur une perception totalement d\u00e9form\u00e9e du monde et se nourrissant \u00e0  une psychologie supr\u00e9matiste arriv\u00e9e \u00e0 l&rsquo;extr\u00eame de l&rsquo;illusion vaniteuse qu&rsquo;elle a construite. Plut\u00f4t que geindre \u00e0 propos des <em>strategic failures<\/em> que leur imposerait un destin malveillant, peut-\u00eatre serait-il temps qu&rsquo;ils s&rsquo;interrogent sur les causes fondamentales des <em>strategic failures<\/em> qu&rsquo;ils ont eux-m\u00eames provoqu\u00e9es.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 15 juillet 2007 \u00e0 11H28<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alors que toute l&rsquo;attention est port\u00e9e sur la catastrophique situation en Irak, les g\u00e9n\u00e9raux britanniques interviennent avec d\u00e9termination pour nous avertir que la situation est aussi grave, sinon pire en Afghanistan. Parmi d&rsquo;autres, l&rsquo;Observer signale ce matin cet avertissement des militaires britanniques. Ceux-ci parlent de d\u00e9faite pouvant conduire \u00e0 la chute du r\u00e9gime au Pakistan,&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[6861,6862,4255,4058,6037,584,3379],"class_list":["post-69020","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-adghanistan","tag-ashdoow","tag-defaite","tag-echec","tag-inge","tag-otan","tag-pakistan"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69020","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69020"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69020\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69020"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69020"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69020"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}