{"id":69252,"date":"2007-09-23T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-09-23T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2007\/09\/23\/lidee-de-giuliani-israel-dans-lotan-contre-liran\/"},"modified":"2007-09-23T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-09-23T00:00:00","slug":"lidee-de-giuliani-israel-dans-lotan-contre-liran","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2007\/09\/23\/lidee-de-giuliani-israel-dans-lotan-contre-liran\/","title":{"rendered":"L&rsquo;id\u00e9e de Giuliani : Isra\u00ebl dans l&rsquo;OTAN, contre l&rsquo;Iran"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Il y a eu des d\u00e9clarations notables du candidat (favori) \u00e0 la d\u00e9signation r\u00e9publicaine Rudy Giuliani, l&rsquo;ancien maire de New York, \u00e0 Londres devant les conservateurs britanniques. L&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme de ces d\u00e9clarations, alors que Giuliani se pr\u00e9sente en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral comme un r\u00e9publicain mod\u00e9r\u00e9, laisse \u00e0 penser que la campagne pr\u00e9sidentielle US sera une surench\u00e8re permanente dans l&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme de politique ext\u00e9rieure. D&rsquo;ores et d\u00e9j\u00e0, les positions de Giuliani sont largement plus extr\u00e9mistes que celles de GW.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Giuliani a adopt\u00e9 un ton extr\u00eamement dur contre l&rsquo;Iran, mettant en avant une position d&rsquo;ultimatum contre ce pays.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Il a affirm\u00e9 qu&rsquo;il proposerait, s&rsquo;il \u00e9tait \u00e9lu, de faire entrer Isra\u00ebl dans l&rsquo;OTAN, explicitement pour entra\u00eener une riposte occidentale massive en cas d&rsquo;attaque contre Isra\u00ebl,  et, semble-t-il, d&rsquo;apr\u00e8s les r\u00e9flexions d&rsquo;un de ses nouveaux conseillers, Nile Gardiner (un ancien conseiller de Thatcher), en cas de <strong>n&rsquo;importe quelle<\/strong> attaque contre Isra\u00ebl. Il s&rsquo;agirait essentiellement de frapper l&rsquo;Iran; on ajouterait volontiers: dans tous les cas et \u00e0 tout hasard.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Pour donner du charme \u00e0 sa proposition, Giuliani estime que d&rsquo;autres pays devraient \u00eatre appel\u00e9s dans l&rsquo;OTAN, comme on l&rsquo;est dans une confr\u00e9rie radieuse: l&rsquo;Australie, l&rsquo;Inde, Singapour, le Japon&#8230; C&rsquo;est reprendre l&rsquo;id\u00e9e de Richard Perle de <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article.php?art_id=482\" class=\"gen\">novembre 2002<\/a> de l&rsquo;OTAN rempla\u00e7ant l&rsquo;ONU. On conna\u00eet ses classiques et la musique.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tGlenn Greenwald, dans son <em>Blog<\/em> sur le site de <em>Salon.com<\/em>, fait un long commentaire ce <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/opinion\/greenwald\/2007\/09\/21\/giuliani_israel\/index.html\" class=\"gen\">21 septembre<\/a> sur ces d\u00e9clarations de Giuliani.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>In London this week, Rudy Giuliani proposed what is probably the single most extremist policy of any major presidential candidate, certainly this year and perhaps in many years:<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Rudy Giuliani talked tough on Iran yesterday, proposing to expand NATO to include Israel and warning that if Iran&rsquo;s leaders go ahead with their goal to be a nuclear power we will prevent it, or we will set them back five or 10 years.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>While Giuliani did not explicitly address the implications for Iran of adding Israel to NATO in his speech, his aides later highlighted a 2006 Heritage Foundation paper by Nile Gardiner, a former Thatcher aide who was announced as a new Giuliani adviser yesterday.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>That step would leave the mullahs with no illusions about the West&rsquo;s determination to respond to Iran&rsquo;s strategic threat to the region, Gardiner wrote. Any nuclear or conventional attack on Israel, be it direct or through proxies such as Hezbollah or other terrorist groups, would be met by a cataclysmic response from the West.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Adding Israel to NATO has been opposed by France and some other European nations in the past, largely because it would entangle the alliance in the Middle East.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Like most countries, Israel deems all of its wars to be defensive wars in response to threats. So Rudy Giuliani, as President, would in essence deem any war in which Israel is involved to be, by definition, a war on the U.S., and would use American resources and lives to become involved in any such war and fight on behalf of Israel. Shouldn&rsquo;t the fact that the leading GOP candidate for President believes such a thing be the source of a bit more discussion? Other than John Edwards&rsquo; views regarding haircuts, is there any major presidential candidate who has espoused a view anywhere near this radical or controversial?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCes interventions constituent une indication convaincante du climat qui va s&rsquo;installer aux USA pendant la campagne \u00e9lectorale. Ce climat va continuellement peser sur la politique ext\u00e9rieure des USA, notamment dans l&rsquo;affrontement contre l&rsquo;Iran. Cette sorte de proposition (Isra\u00ebl dans l&rsquo;OTAN) indique qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;est plus question d&rsquo;unilat\u00e9ralisme des USA comme lors du premier mandat de Bush. Les Europ\u00e9ens, qui ont tant d\u00e9plor\u00e9 cette politique, seraient bien un jour conduits \u00e0 la regretter. Ce que Giuliani propose n&rsquo;est rien d&rsquo;autre que l&rsquo;extension de l&rsquo;unilat\u00e9ralisme am\u00e9ricaniste \u00e0 tout l&rsquo;Occident, et l&rsquo;engagement de tout l&rsquo;Occident dans tous les effets des affrontements extr\u00e9mistes entre Isra\u00ebl et ses voisins. (On pourrait imaginer que l&rsquo;\u00e9quipe Sarko-Kouchner pourrait \u00eatre satisfaite par l&rsquo;id\u00e9e puisqu&rsquo;elle pourrait faire d&rsquo;une pierre deux coups : r\u00e9int\u00e9grer compl\u00e8tement l&rsquo;OTAN et attaquer l&rsquo;Iran?)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tComme l&rsquo;observe Greenwald, dans un monde rationnel ces propositions de Giuliani provoqueraient un toll\u00e9 chez les autres candidats. (\u00ab<em>In a rational world, Giuliani&rsquo;s proposal would be a major controversy, and the other presidential candidates  Republican and Democrat alike  would be loudly pointing to this extremist view to harm the Giuliani campaign.<\/em>\u00bb) Il n&rsquo;en a rien \u00e9t\u00e9, aucune protestation, aucune attaque contre Giuliani. Il ne serait pas \u00e9tonnant qu&rsquo;on retrouve ces propositions chez d&rsquo;autres candidats.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 23 septembre 2007 09H24<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Il y a eu des d\u00e9clarations notables du candidat (favori) \u00e0 la d\u00e9signation r\u00e9publicaine Rudy Giuliani, l&rsquo;ancien maire de New York, \u00e0 Londres devant les conservateurs britanniques. L&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme de ces d\u00e9clarations, alors que Giuliani se pr\u00e9sente en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral comme un r\u00e9publicain mod\u00e9r\u00e9, laisse \u00e0 penser que la campagne pr\u00e9sidentielle US sera une surench\u00e8re permanente dans&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[6711,2773,2774,584],"class_list":["post-69252","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-giuliani","tag-iran","tag-israel","tag-otan"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69252","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69252"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69252\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69252"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69252"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69252"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}