{"id":69586,"date":"2008-01-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-01-08T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/01\/08\/au-fait-oui-gw-existe-toujours-dans-tous-les-cas-pour-les-israeliens-et-pour-les-iraniens\/"},"modified":"2008-01-08T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-01-08T00:00:00","slug":"au-fait-oui-gw-existe-toujours-dans-tous-les-cas-pour-les-israeliens-et-pour-les-iraniens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/01\/08\/au-fait-oui-gw-existe-toujours-dans-tous-les-cas-pour-les-israeliens-et-pour-les-iraniens\/","title":{"rendered":"Au fait, oui, GW existe toujours, \u2013 dans tous les cas pour les Isra\u00e9liens et pour les Iraniens"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Un incident dans le Golfe Persique entre des navires iraniens et des b\u00e2timent de l&rsquo;U.S. Navy ram\u00e8ne l&rsquo;attention sur la situation dans la r\u00e9gion et fait rena\u00eetre la possibilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;une tension explosive. L&rsquo;incident, jusqu&rsquo;ici rapport\u00e9 selon la version du Pentagone, a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s proche de l&rsquo;affrontement. Selon <em>The Independent<\/em> d&rsquo;<a href=\"http:\/\/rawstory.com\/news\/2007\/Israel_to_brief_Bush_on_options_0107.html\" class=\"gen\">aujourd&rsquo;hui<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The US and Iran have engaged in their most serious military confrontation in recent times, with American warships on the verge of opening fire on gunboats of the Revolutionary Guards which had threatened to blow them up.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The incident, details of which were confirmed by the Pentagon yesterday, came on the eve of President George Bush&rsquo;s visit to the Middle East and follows claims by US commanders in the Persian Gulf that Iran was trying to destablise the region.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The three US ships and five Iranian vessels clashed in the early hours of Sunday in the Strait of Hormuz, the stretch of water where a 15-strong British naval party was taken hostage by the Revolutionary Guards last year. American officials at the time said that a similar attempt to seize their personnel would have led to immediate retaliation.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The Pentagon claimed the American ships were in international waters, although the demarcation of the border between Iran and Iraq on the Strait remains a matter of dispute. An American official said that the Revolutionary Guards boats swarmed to within 200 metres of the USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham and the Iranians transmitted a radio message saying: I am coming at you; you will explode in a couple of minutes.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The captain of one of the US vessels was literally moments away from giving the order to open fire when the Iranian vessels moved away, American officials said. The Iranian boats were observed before the stand-off, dropping small white containers into the water, the Americans said, an exercise for laying mines.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tL&rsquo;incident intervient au moment o\u00f9 GW Bush entreprend une tourn\u00e9e au Moyen-Orient. Le rapport est fait par certains entre les deux \u00e9v\u00e9nement et, \u00e0 nouveau, on reparle d&rsquo;une tension dans la r\u00e9gion,  en m\u00eame temps qu&rsquo;on red\u00e9couvre l&rsquo;existence de GW Bush <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article.php?art_id=4808\" class=\"gen\">\u00e9clips\u00e9<\/a> par le fi\u00e9vreux d\u00e9but de la campagne US des primaires. L&rsquo;importance qu&rsquo;on essaie de donner au voyage de Bush est \u00e9galement renforc\u00e9e par les rumeurs sur l&rsquo;intention des Isra\u00e9liens (du ministre de la d\u00e9fense Barak) d&rsquo;exposer \u00e0 Bush des pr\u00e9cisions sur des plans d&rsquo;attaque isra\u00e9liens contre l&rsquo;Iran. (Un de nos lecteurs retranscrit dans le <em>Forum<\/em>, \u00e0 la date du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/forum.php\" class=\"gen\">6 janvier<\/a>, l&rsquo;article du <em>Sunday Times<\/em> sur cette affaire.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tD&rsquo;autre part, il semble que les Isra\u00e9liens eux-m\u00eames soient divis\u00e9s. Il appara\u00eet que le nouveau ministre de la d\u00e9fense, Barak, qui n&rsquo;a jamais brill\u00e9 par ses capacit\u00e9s d&rsquo;analyse, aient embrass\u00e9 une position si extr\u00e9miste que certains le classent \u00e0 droite de Benyamin Netanyahou. Au contraire, d&rsquo;autres politiciens isra\u00e9liens prennent leur distance de cette position, comme c&rsquo;est le cas du pr\u00e9sident d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl Shimon P\u00e8res. Une d\u00e9p\u00eache AFP, reprise le <a href=\"http:\/\/rawstory.com\/news\/2007\/Israel_to_brief_Bush_on_options_0107.html\" class=\"gen\">7 janvier<\/a> par <em>RAW Story<\/em>, signale une interview de P\u00e8res fort peu not\u00e9e, d&rsquo;il y a deux semaines, o\u00f9 P\u00e8res juge l&rsquo;option de la guerre improbable et sugg\u00e8re qu&rsquo;un remplacement de l&rsquo;actuel pr\u00e9sident iranien par un mod\u00e9r\u00e9 pourrait constituer une solution.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Two weeks ago, however, Israeli President Shimon Peres said he did not believe a war with Iran would be necessary but called for the end of the current government in Tehran.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Peres told the German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was dangerous for Israel and the region but that other means could be used to contain the threat.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>I do not think that a war with Iran is necessary, he said when asked if he supported a military strike against the country. Ahmadinejad can be deposed by other means. Sanctions have revealed themselves to be a very effective instrument. Sanctions, not war, did away with North Korea&rsquo;s nuclear weapons.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>He said he did not believe the Iranian people wanted to destroy Israel or develop nuclear arms. The majority is not ready to trade Allah and Mohammed for enriched uranium. Those that, like Iran, threaten the future of humanity have no future themselves. We will survive Ahmadinejad.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tEnfin, la m\u00eame d\u00e9p\u00eache d\u00e9taille la position des services de renseignement isra\u00e9liens vis-\u00e0-vis de la NIE 2007 de la communaut\u00e9 du renseignement US. Elle signale que, selon certaines sources, les diff\u00e9rences entre les deux appr\u00e9ciations seraient plus faibles que ce qu&rsquo;on avait d&rsquo;abord affirm\u00e9:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>A secret cabinet discussion at the Prime Minister&rsquo;s Office <\/em>[yesterday] <em>was aimed at examining whether Israel had different evidence than the Americans, YNetNews reported. During the discussion it was made clear that more than 90% of the intelligence information possessed by Israel was identical to the information presented to the American president.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Nonetheless, the additional information does not confirm that Tehran resumed its secret activity to create military nuclear capabilities after 2003, the publication added. Although the Israeli information points to suspicions that this is in fact Iran&rsquo;s intention, its does not contain enough evidence which will allow Bush to return to Washington with information which will lead to firm action by the international community.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 8 janvier 2008 \u00e0 10H15<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Un incident dans le Golfe Persique entre des navires iraniens et des b\u00e2timent de l&rsquo;U.S. Navy ram\u00e8ne l&rsquo;attention sur la situation dans la r\u00e9gion et fait rena\u00eetre la possibilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;une tension explosive. L&rsquo;incident, jusqu&rsquo;ici rapport\u00e9 selon la version du Pentagone, a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s proche de l&rsquo;affrontement. Selon The Independent d&rsquo;aujourd&rsquo;hui. \u00abThe US and Iran have&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[5963,2870,7359,3198,2773,5085,4611],"class_list":["post-69586","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-5963","tag-attaque","tag-barak","tag-gw","tag-iran","tag-nie","tag-peres"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69586","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69586"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69586\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69586"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69586"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69586"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}