{"id":69606,"date":"2008-01-15T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-01-15T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/01\/15\/la-norvege-entre-la-suede-et-le-jsf\/"},"modified":"2008-01-15T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-01-15T00:00:00","slug":"la-norvege-entre-la-suede-et-le-jsf","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/01\/15\/la-norvege-entre-la-suede-et-le-jsf\/","title":{"rendered":"La Norv\u00e8ge entre la Su\u00e8de et le JSF"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>En d\u00e9cembre 2007, les Europ\u00e9ens (essentiellement les Allemands) du consortium Eurofighter (EADS) annon\u00e7aient qu&rsquo;ils retiraient le <em>Typhoon<\/em> de la comp\u00e9tition norv\u00e9gienne pour un nouvel avion de combat. (Cette comp\u00e9tition est d\u00e9sormais r\u00e9duite au <em>Gripen<\/em> su\u00e9dois et au JSF pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 par les USA.)  Les commentaires qui accompagnaient ce retrait, y compris venus d&rsquo;Eurofighter, indiquaient que sa cause \u00e9tait la certitude acquise par Eurofighter que le choix norv\u00e9gien \u00e9tait d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait en faveur du JSF\/F-35. Gerard O&rsquo;Dwyer, de <em>Defense News<\/em>, rapporte, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/story.php?F=3296770&#038;C=europe\" class=\"gen\">14 janvier<\/a>, les inqui\u00e9tudes sinon l&rsquo;irritation des Am\u00e9ricains, qui semblent penser, eux, que la Norv\u00e8ge pr\u00e9f\u00e8re le <em>Gripen<\/em> au JSF. Cela est visible, sinon audible, dans une partie du commentaire rapportant une intervention de l&rsquo;ambassadeur US en Norv\u00e8ge.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Benson Whitney, the U.S. ambassador to Norway, told Norway&rsquo;s public broadcaster NRK on Jan. 2 that Norway risked losing its present high level of military collaboration with the United States if the country chose the JAS Gripen over Lockheed Martin&rsquo;s F-35. Whitney said buying F-35s would best guarantee the high level of military and political collaboration between Norway and the United States.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>It is, of course, up to the Stortinget<\/em> [Norway&rsquo;s parliament], <em>the government and the people of Norway to decide about defense, and relations with the United States, Whitney said. Choosing a Swedish fighter may mean less contact between the Norwegian and American military. Hundreds of Norwegian pilots have trained in America, and dozens of Americans have come to Norway to train with Norwegian pilots  we don&rsquo;t want to lose that contact.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Most Norwegian fighter pilots, who fly F-16s, have done their training in the United States.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>If the future fighter is Swedish, Norwegian pilots will train in Sweden rather than the United States, Whitney said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tUne autre partie du commentaire pr\u00e9sente le cas du <em>Gripen<\/em> en expliquant ce qui serait sa fortune pr\u00e9sente par un contexte plus vaste d&rsquo;accord entre la Norv\u00e8ge et la Su\u00e8de. O&rsquo;Dwyer s&rsquo;appuie essentiellement sur une source au minist\u00e8re de la d\u00e9fense norv\u00e9gien.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>We are likely to see a landmark agreement between Norway and Sweden in 2008 that involves an unprecedented level of collaboration between the defense forces of each country, the Norwegian MoD source said. Interoperability of equipment has been a mainstay of the ongoing talks.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The potential cooperation with the Swedish Air Force has U.S. officials worried about the F-35&rsquo;s chances in the Norwegian competition.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>There has been a significant uplift in activity by Saab and Sweden to play the Nordic card over recent months, the source said. This Nordic card envisages a scenario where two or more Nordic nations, most probably Sweden and Norway, will establish a common fighter unit to police their national airspace or participate in international operations.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The source said the potential deal was one reason the Eurofighter group withdrew its fighter bid in late December.<\/em> () <em>Ironically, the Eurofighter consortium felt that a two-horse race had developed between the F-35 Lightning II and the Gripen and sensed that it was pointless remaining in the process, the source said. Eurofighter even suggested that the F-35 Lightning II was being favored by Norway. It seems that the U.S. believes Norway may opt for the Gripen.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tIl est \u00e9vident que la Norv\u00e8ge tient une place tr\u00e8s particuli\u00e8re dans le contexte expos\u00e9 ici. D&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on assez r\u00e9v\u00e9latrice d&rsquo;un point de vue strat\u00e9gique, ou bien assez logiquement sym\u00e9trique si l&rsquo;on se place du point de vue de l&rsquo;OTAN, la Norv\u00e8ge entretient comme <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article.php?art_id=4720\" class=\"gen\">la Gr\u00e8ce<\/a> d&rsquo;excellentes relations avec la Russie. Il s&rsquo;agit sans aucun doute de relations nettement meilleures que celles de l&rsquo;OTAN et de la norme des pays de l&rsquo;OTAN. Des sources \u00e0 l&rsquo;OTAN affirment que les Norv\u00e9giens ont r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement des discussions bilat\u00e9rales avec les Russes, tr\u00e8s discr\u00e8tes et tr\u00e8s efficaces, en rapport avec la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de la fronti\u00e8re commune des deux pays. L&rsquo;autre axe de la politique de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de la Norv\u00e8ge semble bien \u00eatre une politique nordique active, notamment avec la Su\u00e8de comme le d\u00e9taille la source de O&rsquo;Dwyer. Les sources de l&rsquo;OTAN que nous citons signalent qu&rsquo;un accord type Article 5 de l&rsquo;OTAN aurait \u00e9t\u00e9 propos\u00e9 par la Su\u00e8de \u00e0 la Norv\u00e8ge. (L&rsquo;Article 5 garantit un soutien effectif des parties signataires en cas de mise en cause de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 d&rsquo;une des partie.) Dans ce contexte, l&rsquo;int\u00e9r\u00eat norv\u00e9gien pour le <em>Gripen<\/em> serait effectivement tr\u00e8s logique sinon \u00e9vident.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tL&rsquo;intervention US (l&rsquo;ambassadeur Whitney) en faveur du JSF porte la marque habituelle de la politique d&rsquo;influence US lorsqu&rsquo;elle se trouve contest\u00e9e: assez brutale et sans gu\u00e8re de formes. Il est significatif de la perception de leurs int\u00e9r\u00eats par les USA que cette intervention concerne la vente d&rsquo;un avion de combat plus que la politique de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de la Norv\u00e8ge. Les Am\u00e9ricains montrent qu&rsquo;ils sont int\u00e9ress\u00e9s par la vente de leur quincaillerie, nullement par la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 europ\u00e9enne. Ils semblent avoir la position qu&rsquo;il est vital qu&rsquo;aucun pays coop\u00e9rant dans le programme JSF ne choisisse un autre avion que le JSF pour son \u00e9quipement. A c\u00f4t\u00e9 de la brutalit\u00e9 de l&rsquo;intervention, c&rsquo;est \u00e9galement un signe de la fragilit\u00e9 du programme qui a plus que jamais besoin de tous ses soutiens.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tD&rsquo;autre part, cette affaire, dans le contexte g\u00e9n\u00e9ral rapport\u00e9 ici, montre le d\u00e9clin de l&rsquo;influence US cons\u00e9cutif aux \u00e9checs de la politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re US et \u00e0 la perception de la r\u00e9duction radicale de la puissance am\u00e9ricanistes. <em>In illo tempore<\/em> (celui de l&rsquo;influence US triomphante), de telles interventions publiques, qui frisent l&rsquo;ing\u00e9rence \u00e0 ciel ouvert dans les affaires int\u00e9rieures du pays impliqu\u00e9, n&rsquo;\u00e9taient pas n\u00e9cessaires dans un pays comme la Norv\u00e8ge parce que l&rsquo;influence US \u00e9tait suffisamment puissante pour assurer le march\u00e9 sans autre forme de proc\u00e8s.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 15 janvier 2008 \u00e0 07H55<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>En d\u00e9cembre 2007, les Europ\u00e9ens (essentiellement les Allemands) du consortium Eurofighter (EADS) annon\u00e7aient qu&rsquo;ils retiraient le Typhoon de la comp\u00e9tition norv\u00e9gienne pour un nouvel avion de combat. (Cette comp\u00e9tition est d\u00e9sormais r\u00e9duite au Gripen su\u00e9dois et au JSF pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 par les USA.) Les commentaires qui accompagnaient ce retrait, y compris venus d&rsquo;Eurofighter, indiquaient que sa&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[3220,4527,250,3842,2730,4282],"class_list":["post-69606","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-eurofighter","tag-gripen","tag-jsf","tag-norvege","tag-russie","tag-suede"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69606","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69606"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69606\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69606"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69606"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69606"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}