{"id":69900,"date":"2008-05-16T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-16T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/05\/16\/gates-chamberlain-versus-gw-churchill\/"},"modified":"2008-05-16T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-16T00:00:00","slug":"gates-chamberlain-versus-gw-churchill","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/05\/16\/gates-chamberlain-versus-gw-churchill\/","title":{"rendered":"Gates-Chamberlain versus<\/em><\/strong> GW-Churchill"},"content":{"rendered":"

C’est un contraste \u00e9tonnant illustrant l’\u00e9trange autonomie des diff\u00e9rents pouvoirs aux USA (la pr\u00e9sidence \u00e9tant consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme un pouvoir comme les autres). Le secr\u00e9taire \u00e0 la d\u00e9fense Robert Gates d\u00e9clare qu’il faut envisager de parler avec les Iraniens (le 14 mai) quasiment en m\u00eame temps que GW Bush d\u00e9clare \u00e0 Tel-Aviv (le 15 mai) qu’une telle d\u00e9marche \u00e9quivaut \u00e0 celle, absolument condamnable, des gens qui cherch\u00e8rent \u00e0 apaiser Hitler \u00e0 la veille de la Deuxi\u00e8me Guerre mondiale.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tUn extrait de la d\u00e9claration de GW Bush parlant de ces contacts que certains voudraient \u00e9tablir avec l’Iran, selon le Guardian<\/em> d’aujourd’hui<\/a>:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00abBush said it was a foolish delusion to think it was possible to negotiate with extremists and terrorists. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided,’ Bush said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbHe added: We have an obligation to call this what it is the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tPendant ce temps, donc, Gates parlait devant l’Academy of American Diplomacy, tenant un langage bien diff\u00e9rent (selon le Washington Post<\/em> du 15 mai<\/a>):<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00abThe United States should construct a combination of incentives and pressure to engage Iran, and may have missed earlier opportunities to begin a useful dialogue with Tehran, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said yesterday.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbWe need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them, Gates said. If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can’t go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbIn the meantime, Gates told a meeting of the Academy of American Diplomacy, a group of retired diplomats, my personal view would be we ought to look for ways outside of government to open up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth. Noting that a fair number of Iranians regularly visit the United States, he said, We ought to increase the flow the other way … of Americans visiting Iran. I think that may be the one opening that creates some space, Gates said.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tLa co\u00efncidence est assez remarquable, de m\u00eame le fait que le discours de Bush ait \u00e9t\u00e9 compar\u00e9 contradictoirement \u00e0 des interventions d’Obama, voire de Jimmy Carter parlant avec le Hamas, tendis que rien n’\u00e9tait dit d’une comparaison avec le discours de Gates. Mais s’agit-il d’une co\u00efncidence? Des sources ind\u00e9pendantes proches du Pentagone (de Gates) affirment que la quasi-simultan\u00e9it\u00e9 des d\u00e9marches n’est pas fortuite, que Gates \u00e9tait inform\u00e9 du discours de GW Bush et qu’il a voulu signifier aux Isra\u00e9liens que le pr\u00e9sident ne parlait pas pour l’administration (!), que le Pentagone avait une autre position. Cette indication montre que plus personne ne cherche \u00e0 cacher, au sein de l’administration, les contradictions politiques, et que la Maison-Blanche ne parle plus au nom d’une politique g\u00e9n\u00e9rale mais en fonction d’un engagement partisan.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tMis en ligne le 16 mai 2008 \u00e0 17H26<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

C’est un contraste \u00e9tonnant illustrant l’\u00e9trange autonomie des diff\u00e9rents pouvoirs aux USA (la pr\u00e9sidence \u00e9tant consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme un pouvoir comme les autres). Le secr\u00e9taire \u00e0 la d\u00e9fense Robert Gates d\u00e9clare qu’il faut envisager de parler avec les Iraniens (le 14 mai) quasiment en m\u00eame temps que GW Bush d\u00e9clare \u00e0 Tel-Aviv (le 15 mai) qu’une… <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[7582,7581,707,3984,3198,2773],"class_list":["post-69900","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-apaisement","tag-chamberlmain","tag-churchill","tag-gates","tag-gw","tag-iran"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69900","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69900"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69900\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69900"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69900"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69900"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}