{"id":70062,"date":"2008-07-22T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-07-22T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/07\/22\/du-bon-usage-du-candidat-obama-par-lirakien-maliki\/"},"modified":"2008-07-22T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-07-22T00:00:00","slug":"du-bon-usage-du-candidat-obama-par-lirakien-maliki","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/07\/22\/du-bon-usage-du-candidat-obama-par-lirakien-maliki\/","title":{"rendered":"Du bon usage du candidat Obama, \u2013 par l&rsquo;Irakien Maliki"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Obama le candidat est en tourn\u00e9e parmi nous (on veut dire : <em>the Rest Of the World<\/em>). Il passe en Irak, ce qui va de soi. Il rencontre un Maliki qui nous surprend tous, car c&rsquo;est bien de Maliki dont nous voulons parler. Maliki s&rsquo;affirme de plus en plus comme un acteur \u00e0 part enti\u00e8re, une marionnette reconvertie dans l&rsquo;habilet\u00e9 manuvri\u00e8re pour manipuler son colossal conqu\u00e9rant devenu une sorte de Gulliver ligot\u00e9 et sans id\u00e9e bien pr\u00e9cise. Voici ce qu&rsquo;\u00e9crit Patrick Cockburn, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/middle-east\/sun-shines-on-obamas-iraq-debut-872826.html\" class=\"gen\">21 juillet<\/a>, du Premier ministre Maliki:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>However, even if government claims to have won a military victory are overblown, its recent successes have important political consequences for itself as well as for Mr Obama and Mr McCain. The Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki is confident, even over-confident, according to his allies. Before the government offensive in Basra in late March most of the political parties in the government had agreed that Maliki had to go because he was ineffective, said one Iraqi political commentator. But since the attack succeeded, Maliki has become so arrogant that he has stopped paying attention to anybody outside his small inner circle.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tAujourd&rsquo;hui, l&rsquo;attitude de Maliki, notamment vis-\u00e0-vis des Am\u00e9ricains, est presque protectrice et compatissante. Le Premier ministre irakien ne cesse d&rsquo;en rajouter sur sa principale exigence: le retrait US d&rsquo;Irak. D&rsquo;o\u00f9 son interview \u00e0 <em>Spiegel<\/em>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.Spiegel.de\/international\/world\/0,1518,566852,00.html\" class=\"gen\">19 juillet<\/a>, avec le fameux passage o\u00f9 Maliki soutient ouvertement la candidature d&rsquo;Obama<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Spiegel<\/em><\/strong><em>: Immunity for the US troops is apparently the central issue.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Maliki<\/em><\/strong><em>: It is a fundamental problem for us that it should not be possible, in my country, to prosecute offences or crimes committed by US soldiers against our population. But other issues are no less important: How much longer will these soldiers remain in our country? How much authority do they have? Who controls how many, soldiers enter and leave the country and where they do so?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Spiegel<\/em><\/strong><em>: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Maliki<\/em><\/strong><em>: As soon as possible, as far as we&rsquo;re concerned. U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Spiegel<\/em><\/strong><em>: Is this an endorsement for the US presidential election in November? Does Obama, who has no military background, ultimately have a better understanding of Iraq than war hero John McCain?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Maliki<\/em><\/strong><em>: Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of US troops in Iraq would cause problems. Of course, this is by no means an election endorsement. Who they choose as their president is the Americans&rsquo; business. But it&rsquo;s the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that&rsquo;s where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Plut\u00f4t dur pour McCain Sur son <em>blog<\/em> de <em>The Atlantic<\/em>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/marcambinder.theatlantic.com\/archives\/2008\/07\/almalikis_announcement_a_big_d.php\" class=\"gen\">19 juillet<\/a>, Mark Ambinder rapporte les r\u00e9actions officielles et officieuses du camp McCain. Entre le <em>I&rsquo;m confident<\/em> de McCain et le <em>We&rsquo;re fucked<\/em> d&rsquo;un de ses conseillers, le lecteur fera son choix.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, We&rsquo;re fucked. No response yet from the McCain campaign, although here&rsquo;s what McCain said the last time Maliki mentioned withdrawal: Since we are succeeding, then I am convinced, as I have said before, we can withdraw and withdraw with honor, not according to a set timetable. And I&rsquo;m confident that is what Prime Minister Maliki is talking about, since he has told me that for many meetings we&rsquo;ve had.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t La porte-parole de Maliki, sous la pression de la Maison-Blanche, a fait une d\u00e9claration qui est un assez \u00e9trange d\u00e9menti, o\u00f9 l&rsquo;on parle vaguement de faute de traduction (selon <em>CNN.NEWS<\/em> le <LIEN=20 juillet<D> : \u00ab<em>misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately.<\/em>\u00bb). Maliki a fait d\u00e9mentir sans vraiment faire d\u00e9mentir. Tout le monde rel\u00e8ve ces impr\u00e9cisions, comme le <em>Spiegel<\/em> lui-m\u00eame, qui en reste \u00e0 son texte initial et le confirme de fa\u00e7on cat\u00e9gorique, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.Spiegel.de\/international\/world\/0,1518,566914,00.html\" class=\"gen\">20 juillet<\/a>:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Obama is pleased, but McCain certainly is not. In an interview with Spiegel, Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki expressed support for Obama&rsquo;s troop withdrawal plans. Despite a half-hearted retraction, the comments have stirred up the US presidential campaign.<\/em> <strong><em>Spiegel stands by its version of the conversation.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t()<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>A number of media outlets likewise professed to being confused by the statement from Maliki&rsquo;s office. The New York Times pointed out that al-Dabbagh&rsquo;s statement did not address a specific error. CBS likewise expressed disbelief pointing out that Maliki mentions a timeframe for withdrawal three times in the interview and then asks, how likely is it that Spiegel mistranslated three separate comments? Matthew Yglesias, a blogger for the Atlantic Monthly, was astonished by how little effort was made to make the Baghdad denial convincing. And the influential blog IraqSlogger also pointed out the lack of specifics in the government statement.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tL&rsquo;International <em>Herald Tribune<\/em> nous pr\u00e9cise \u00e9galement, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iht.com\/bin\/printfriendly.php?id=14647537\" class=\"gen\">21 juillet<\/a> encore:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>But the interpreter for the interview works for Maliki&rsquo;s office, not the magazine. And in an audio recording of Maliki&rsquo;s interview that Der Spiegel provided to The New York Times, Maliki seemed to state a clear affinity for Obama&rsquo;s position, bringing it up on his own in an answer to a general question on troop presence.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The following is a direct translation from the Arabic of Maliki&rsquo;s comments by The Times: Obama&rsquo;s remarks that  if he takes office  in 16 months he would withdraw the forces, we think that this period could increase or decrease a little, but that it could be suitable to end the presence of the forces in Iraq.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>He continued: Who wants to exit in a quicker way has a better assessment of the situation in Iraq.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tConcluons en observant que la position th\u00e9orique d&rsquo;Obama sur le retrait d&rsquo;Irak vient de servir \u00e0 un double emploi. D&rsquo;une part, elle permet \u00e0 Maliki d&rsquo;affirmer d&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on cat\u00e9gorique que sa politique officielle est d\u00e9sormais d&rsquo;obtenir le retrait des forces US le plus rapidement possible, implicitement ou explicitement qu&rsquo;importe selon le calendrier du candidat Obama, sans doute futur pr\u00e9sident des USA. (Dans tous les cas, Obama, candidat dont tout le monde parle d&rsquo;ores et d\u00e9j\u00e0 comme du futur pr\u00e9sident des USA, et qui est \u00e9cout\u00e9 de cette fa\u00e7on, presque comme s&rsquo;il disait d&rsquo;ores et d\u00e9j\u00e0 la tr\u00e8s prochaine politique des USA.) D&rsquo;autre part, elle conduit Obama lui-m\u00eame, tr\u00e8s h\u00e9sitant ces derni\u00e8res semaines sur son propre calendrier de retrait d&rsquo;Irak \u00e0 l&rsquo;occasion de son durcissement sur les mati\u00e8res de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, \u00e0 revenir sur ce calendrier en l&rsquo;appuyant \u00e0 nouveau comme un tr\u00e8s bon argument \u00e9lectoral. En quelque sorte, Maliki lui a donn\u00e9 un brevet de bonne conformit\u00e9 am\u00e9ricaniste, contre McCain, puisque lui, Maliki, l&rsquo;homme de GW Bush en Irak, le juge absolument conforme. Du coup, c&rsquo;est McCain, le faucon, qui para\u00eet en complet dysfonctionnement avec la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 avec ses bavardages sur la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de rester tr\u00e8s longtemps et jusqu&rsquo;au bout en Irak.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCockburn, dans un autre texte publi\u00e9 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/middle-east\/boost-for-obama-over-iraq-withdrawal-873769.html\" class=\"gen\">aujourd&rsquo;hui<\/a>, observe d&rsquo;une part : \u00ab<em>The White House was clearly dismayed and embarrassed by an interview given by Mr Maliki to the German news magazine Der Spiegel in which he appeared to express agreement with Mr Obama&rsquo;s withdrawal plans.<\/em>\u00bb D&rsquo;autre part, il rapporte cette intervention du porte-parole de Maliki, apr\u00e8s la rencontre entre ce m\u00eame Maliki et Obama, hier \u00e0 Bagdad : \u00ab<em>Mr Maliki&rsquo;s spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said his government was hoping that in 2010 combat troops will withdraw from Iraq. This time frame is similar to Mr Obama&rsquo;s.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tEn d&rsquo;autres mots, tout le monde est d&rsquo;accord<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 22 juillet 2008 \u00e0 05H54<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Obama le candidat est en tourn\u00e9e parmi nous (on veut dire : the Rest Of the World). Il passe en Irak, ce qui va de soi. Il rencontre un Maliki qui nous surprend tous, car c&rsquo;est bien de Maliki dont nous voulons parler. Maliki s&rsquo;affirme de plus en plus comme un acteur \u00e0 part enti\u00e8re,&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[857,5458,4063,6208,4849,5928],"class_list":["post-70062","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-irak","tag-maliki","tag-mccain","tag-obama","tag-retrait","tag-spiegel"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70062","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=70062"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70062\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=70062"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=70062"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=70062"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}