{"id":70337,"date":"2008-11-11T12:31:29","date_gmt":"2008-11-11T12:31:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/11\/11\/obama-est-il-prisonnier-de-gitmo\/"},"modified":"2008-11-11T12:31:29","modified_gmt":"2008-11-11T12:31:29","slug":"obama-est-il-prisonnier-de-gitmo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2008\/11\/11\/obama-est-il-prisonnier-de-gitmo\/","title":{"rendered":"Obama est-il prisonnier de \u201cGitmo\u201d?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Les circonstances, les supputations et diverses d\u00e9clarations ont conduit \u00e0 faire du sort du centre de d\u00e9tention de Guantanamo un test de la pr\u00e9sidence Obama. (Guantanamo, dit Gitmo dans le langage acronymique du Pentagone, fameux pour son ill\u00e9galit\u00e9, pour le traitement des prisonniers, la pratique de diverses formes de torture,) De plus en plus, l&rsquo;initiative, promise par le candidat Obama, de fermer le centre de Guantanamo appara\u00eet comme le premier d\u00e9fi du pr\u00e9sident Obama. D\u00e9fi est bien le mot, tant la chose appara\u00eet bien moins facile qu&rsquo;elle semblerait para\u00eetre aux esprits simples. Pourtant l&rsquo;impatience chez les partisans d&rsquo;Obama est grande, voire exigeante (communiqu\u00e9 de Anthony Romero, pr\u00e9sident de la puissante ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union]: \u00ab<em>There is no room for patience or delay in these areas. We have to hold president-elect Obama&rsquo;s feet to the fire<\/em>\u00bb).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tUn article de <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/world\/2008\/nov\/11\/guantanamo-obama-white-house\" class=\"gen\">ce jour<\/a>, dans le <em>Guardian<\/em>, \u00e9claire cette affaire sous un jour in\u00e9dit. Il s&rsquo;agit des obstacles qui attendent l&rsquo;administration Obama pour parvenir \u00e0 la fermeture du centre de Guantanamo. Ces obstacles sont pr\u00e9sent\u00e9s d&rsquo;abord d&rsquo;un point de vue id\u00e9ologique, comme une r\u00e9sistance ultime de l&rsquo;administration GW Bush pour pr\u00e9server son legs.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The White House yesterday warned president-elect Barack Obama about his campaign promise to close Guantan\u00e1mo Bay saying it&rsquo;s not so easy to shut down the notorious detention centre.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Hopes that Obama would move swiftly to dismantle the detention facility rose after the Associated Press reported yesterday that his legal advisers were drafting plans to ship scores of inmates from the offshore prison to the mainland to stand trial in US courts.<\/em> []<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>But White House press secretary Dana Perino said yesterday: When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it&rsquo;s not just so easy to let them go. It&rsquo;s not so easy just to say that you&rsquo;re going to close Guantan\u00e1mo Bay.<\/em> []<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Obama has repeatedly promised to shut down Guantan\u00e1mo, calling the camp a sad chapter in American history. But legal sources said yesterday that it was unclear whether Obama&rsquo;s advisers had had a chance since the election to consult on the plans or talk to Pentagon lawyers to seek advice on the military tribunals process, and added that they do not see how Guantan\u00e1mo can be closed with the first months of his administration.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Scott Silliman, an expert on military law at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, said Congress would have to empower a new court system to try the detainees, which would take time. It might also be politically unpopular to keep large numbers of terror suspects in the US, with critics suggesting that could provoke retaliation from al-Qaida. The Pentagon concedes it has no evidence to charge the majority of the 250 detainees with terrorism.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Obama would return those prisoners to a third country, and in some cases the US would demand assurances that they would remain under surveillance. The process is further complicated by the fact that 50 or 60 of those detainees are men without a country. They are unable to return to their own country, and no other country will take them, according to human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCes divers d\u00e9tails permettent d&rsquo;avoir une id\u00e9e plus pr\u00e9cise de l&rsquo;imbroglio extraordinaire que menace de devenir la question de Guantanamo. Ce centre de d\u00e9tention o\u00f9 existent des situations ill\u00e9gales et o\u00f9 se font des pratiques ill\u00e9gales, a \u00e9t\u00e9 l\u00e9galis\u00e9 \u00e0 force, par divers artifices complexes, pour faire correspondre cette r\u00e9alit\u00e9 ill\u00e9gale \u00e0 la construction de l\u00e9galit\u00e9 formelle sur laquelle est b\u00e2ti le syst\u00e8me de l&rsquo;am\u00e9ricanisme. Il s&rsquo;ensuit l&rsquo;existence d&rsquo;un extraordinaire imbroglio juridique, o\u00f9 il sera bien difficile de se retrouver comme c&rsquo;est de coutume dans tout imbroglio.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tMais il y a plus. La r\u00e9sistance id\u00e9ologique de l&rsquo;administration Bush n&rsquo;est rien. Ce qui appara\u00eet, c&rsquo;est une r\u00e9sistance bureaucratique \u00e0 partir du Pentagone, que ce soit tant du point de vue juridique que du point de vue des n\u00e9cessit\u00e9s de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, et d&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale du point de vue de la puissance acquise de ce m\u00eame Pentagone. Cette r\u00e9sistance bureaucratique est aussi bien d&rsquo;inspiration id\u00e9ologique (en faible partie, mais existante tout de m\u00eame) que de pure essence corporatiste, pour conserver les avantages acquis en greffant sur cette d\u00e9marche de la propagande patriotique et de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale. La menace terrible de terroristes qui ne seraient plus \u00e0 Guantanamo ou, qui sait, ombre affreuse, celle d&rsquo;une riposte d&rsquo;Al Qa\u00efda par rapport au traitement des prisonniers sortis de Guantanamo, constitue le menu habituel et sempiternel de cette sorte d&rsquo;affaire. En attendant, l&rsquo;enjeu ne cesse de grossir pour Obama, dans la mesure o\u00f9 la fermeture de Gitmo devient un symbole des promesses de changement dont il a fait la colonne vert\u00e9brale de sa pr\u00e9sidence. Il est difficile de penser qu&rsquo;il ne consid\u00e8re pas cette affaire comme compl\u00e8tement fondamentale pour les d\u00e9buts de sa pr\u00e9sidence.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tD&rsquo;o\u00f9 ceci que nous consid\u00e9rerons cette affaire de Guantanamo comme un avant-go\u00fbt des obstacles qui attendent Obama s&rsquo;il veut r\u00e9ellement mener une action r\u00e9formatrice, notamment dans le domaine de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale. Contre lui, il y a <em>Moby Dick<\/em>, <em>The House of war<\/em> comme le d\u00e9crit <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-regarder_le_monstre_dans_les_yeux_james_carroll_et_le_pentagone_20_07_2006.html\" class=\"gen\">James Carroll<\/a>, le Pentagone, avec sa bureaucratie si justement (et ironiquement \u00e0 la lumi\u00e8re des forces en pr\u00e9sence) d\u00e9nonc\u00e9e par Rumsfeld le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-le_courage_de_rumsfeld_et_un_discours_qui_merite_de_faire_date_11_09_2001.html\" class=\"gen\">10 septembre 2001<\/a> . Mais que peut faire Obama sinon effectivement affronter le monstre, d&rsquo;abord sur cette affaire de Gitmo, press\u00e9 comme il est par ceux qui ont applaudi son \u00e9lection comme un symbole de sa gloire et de tant de promesses de changement, et qui exigent qu&rsquo;il tienne ses engagements, au moins sur le premier d&rsquo;entre tous les symboles?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 11 novembre 2008 \u00e0 12H22<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les circonstances, les supputations et diverses d\u00e9clarations ont conduit \u00e0 faire du sort du centre de d\u00e9tention de Guantanamo un test de la pr\u00e9sidence Obama. (Guantanamo, dit Gitmo dans le langage acronymique du Pentagone, fameux pour son ill\u00e9galit\u00e9, pour le traitement des prisonniers, la pratique de diverses formes de torture,) De plus en plus, l&rsquo;initiative,&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[7901,5102,3243,6208,7900,1267],"class_list":["post-70337","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-aclu","tag-gitmo","tag-guantanamo","tag-obama","tag-symbole","tag-terrorisme"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70337","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=70337"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70337\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=70337"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=70337"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=70337"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}