{"id":70694,"date":"2009-04-18T06:18:14","date_gmt":"2009-04-18T06:18:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/04\/18\/la-confrontation-usa-israel-jusquau-nucleaire-israelien\/"},"modified":"2009-04-18T06:18:14","modified_gmt":"2009-04-18T06:18:14","slug":"la-confrontation-usa-israel-jusquau-nucleaire-israelien","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/04\/18\/la-confrontation-usa-israel-jusquau-nucleaire-israelien\/","title":{"rendered":"La confrontation USA-Isra\u00ebl : jusqu&rsquo;au nucl\u00e9aire (isra\u00e9lien)?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Les indications concernant une perspective d&rsquo;affrontement tr\u00e8s s\u00e9rieux entre les USA et Isra\u00ebl continuent \u00e0 appara\u00eetre dans divers commentaires. On a d\u00e9j\u00e0 vu <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_politique_iranienne_de_bho_et_le_sort_de_dennis_ross_11_04_2009.html\" class=\"gen\">l&rsquo;un<\/a> des commentaires de Wayne Madsen concernant Dennis Ross. L&rsquo;information de Madsen semble clairement <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-vers_l_affrontement_obama-netanyahou_14_04_2009.html\" class=\"gen\">se confirmer<\/a>, non par d&rsquo;autres appr\u00e9ciations mais par des faits sur le fonctionnement du d\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat (non pr\u00e9sence de Ross \u00e0 la derni\u00e8re r\u00e9union 5+1 sur le nucl\u00e9aire iranien). Cela donne du cr\u00e9dit aux informations de Madsen dans ce domaine.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLe m\u00eame Madsen, sur <em>OnLine Journal<\/em> le <a href=\"http:\/\/onlinejournal.com\/artman\/publish\/printer_4581.shtml\" class=\"gen\">13 avril 2009<\/a>, donne des pr\u00e9cisions beaucoup plus g\u00e9n\u00e9rales, qui fixent la potentialit\u00e9 fondamentale de cet affrontement. Le cr\u00e9dit de Madsen semble concerner des sources extr\u00eamement pr\u00e9cises au d\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat, lequel s&rsquo;av\u00e8re tr\u00e8s actif dans cette nouvelle orientation. Pour autant, et c&rsquo;est un signe particuli\u00e8rement significatif, les autres centres de pouvoir de l&rsquo;administration Obama, le NSC, le vice-pr\u00e9sident Biden, voire le Pentagone et m\u00eame la CIA, semblent suivre cette m\u00eame ligne. Ce qui se dessine est une sorte de r\u00e9volte silencieuse g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de la bureaucratie de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale contre l&rsquo;omnipr\u00e9sence et l&rsquo;omnipotence de l&rsquo;influence d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl dans la politique US durant les ann\u00e9es GW Bush.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tPlusieurs \u00e9l\u00e9ments ponctuels, outre l&rsquo;arriv\u00e9e de l&rsquo;administration Obama bien s\u00fbr, expliquent cette \u00e9volution \u00e9ventuelle.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t La transformation du <em>Lobby<\/em> (le <em>lobby<\/em> pro-isra\u00e9lien) en une machinerie d&rsquo;extr\u00eame droite directement sous l&rsquo;influence du ministre des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res Lieberman. Cela rejoint l&rsquo;appr\u00e9ciation de l&rsquo;ambassadeur Freeman, dont <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_these_de_la_victoire_a_la_pyrrhus__13_03_2009.html\" class=\"gen\">le d\u00e9part<\/a> a mis \u00e0 jour d&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on quasiment officielle l&rsquo;influence du <em>Lobby<\/em>. Commentant sa d\u00e9claration de renonciation \u00e0 son poste de pr\u00e9sident du National Intelligence Council, Freeman avait d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que sa seule faute dans cette d\u00e9claration avait \u00e9t\u00e9 de parler de <em>Lobby<\/em> pro-Isra\u00ebl, et non de ce qu&rsquo;il est, le <em>Lobby<\/em> pro-Lieberman.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>State Department sources are now convinced that what has been called the Israel Lobby in Washington will soon morph into an even more problematic Likud\/Lieberman Lobby that will push a pro-war and pro-settler policy within the Congress and the Barack Obama administration. This new and more aggressive lobby will particularly use its control over Representatives Steve Israel (D-NY) and Mark Kirk (R-IL), as well as Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), to ensure that Israel&rsquo;s new policies are conveyed to and acted upon by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Obama senior policy adviser David Axelrod.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Ce m\u00eame Lieberman est vu par les sources de Wadsen au d\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat comme un homme extr\u00eamement dangereux, qui repr\u00e9sente un potentiel de tr\u00e8s grave danger pour la politique US: \u00ab<em>The new Likud\/Yisrael Beiteinu government of Israel is pushing an agenda that runs counter to longstanding U.S. policies in the Middle East. Yisrael Beiteinu party Chairman Avigdor Lieberman, the new Israeli foreign minister, is seen by one State Department source as an Eastern European fascist who practices racism.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLes deux points que Madsen consid\u00e8re comme des points d&rsquo;affrontements extr\u00eamement explosifs sont la question du Hamas et la question nucl\u00e9aire,  mais, surtout, la question du nucl\u00e9aire isra\u00e9lien<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Sur la question du Hamas, les sources de Madsen jugent que les USA vont \u00eatre n\u00e9cessairement conduits \u00e0 \u00e9tablir un dialogue avec le Hamas, comme seule force repr\u00e9sentative s\u00e9rieuse des Palestiniens. La politique d&rsquo;Obama des deux Etats conduit \u00e0 cette \u00e9volution. Cette m\u00eame \u00e9volution conduirait m\u00eame \u00e0 modifier compl\u00e8tement l&rsquo;appr\u00e9ciation US du Hezbollah:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The term of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has elapsed and actual legitimate power in Palestine belongs to Hamas. This political fact means that the United States has no choice but to talk directly to Hamas.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>There is also the issue of Hamas being a party that favors the ballot box over traditional Middle East power grabs, whether they are by princes, generals, religious figures, or plain thugs. According to State Department sources, Hamas has even lectured Lebanon&rsquo;s Hezbollah, which they claim in the past was generally opposed to achieving power through elections in Lebanon, to become more democratic. That change has occurred, according to the sources, with Hezbollah now fully engaged in the democratic process.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Le deuxi\u00e8me point d&rsquo;affrontement est absolument explosif. Il concerne les questions li\u00e9es entre elles du nucl\u00e9aire iranien, de la solution recherch\u00e9e pour r\u00e9soudre ce probl\u00e8me, avec l&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8se que cette solution serait d&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on ultime l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement d&rsquo;une zone d\u00e9nucl\u00e9aris\u00e9e au Moyen-Orient. Cela signifie une attaque directe contre l&rsquo;arsenal nucl\u00e9aire de 200 t\u00eates d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl. Nous mettons en exergue une phrase d&rsquo;une source de Madsen, qui met en \u00e9vidence la simplicit\u00e9 explosive du probl\u00e8me telle que certains la voient au d\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Another confrontation that looms between the United States and Israel concerns Israel&rsquo;s 200 nuclear weapons. With the United States engaged in direct nuclear talks with Iran and Saudi Arabia calling for an international regime to supply nuclear fuel for power plants along with safeguards that such technology cannot be converted to weapons development, there is also the likelihood that there will be a major push to create in the Middle East a nuclear-free zone. If the United States buys into such a plan, it will mean Israel will have to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. Given what State Department officials describe as Israel&rsquo;s suicidal Masada complex, such a plan will be next to impossible to enact given the current drift of Israel to more theocratic and right-wing rule. As one State Department source put it,<\/em> <strong><em>We cannot address the Iranian nuclear program without addressing the Israeli nuclear weapons program.<\/em><\/strong>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Enfin, un autre aspect des tensions am\u00e9ricano-isra\u00e9liennes en train de se d\u00e9velopper concerne les rapports entre les services de renseignement. Jusqu&rsquo;ici, l&rsquo;aspect d\u00e9s\u00e9quilibr\u00e9 et pol\u00e9mique de ces relations, avec le comportement souvent manuvrier et trompeur du <em>Mossad<\/em> vis-\u00e0-vis de la CIA a toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 occult\u00e9 (bien qu&rsquo;un certain nombre d&rsquo;agents du <em>Mossad<\/em>, ou sympathisants, aient \u00e9t\u00e9 poursuivis pour espionnage des mati\u00e8res de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale US). Madsen semble avancer que cette situation pourrait bien ne plus durer.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>U.S. intelligence officials are also prepared to stop considering intelligence that comes to the CIA and other agencies from Mossad and other Israeli intelligence elements. The new team taking over at the Directorate of National Intelligence and the CIA are acutely aware that the Israelis have, as one insider put it, a long history of deceptive dissemination of disinformation to U.S. intelligence officials, adding that while some foreign sources have inadvertently provided bad intelligence, Israel has been deliberately dishonest.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 18 avril 2009 \u00e0 06H22<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les indications concernant une perspective d&rsquo;affrontement tr\u00e8s s\u00e9rieux entre les USA et Isra\u00ebl continuent \u00e0 appara\u00eetre dans divers commentaires. On a d\u00e9j\u00e0 vu l&rsquo;un des commentaires de Wayne Madsen concernant Dennis Ross. L&rsquo;information de Madsen semble clairement se confirmer, non par d&rsquo;autres appr\u00e9ciations mais par des faits sur le fonctionnement du d\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat (non pr\u00e9sence&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[8261,3003,5111,2773,2774,4883,3816,8260,3004,3701],"class_list":["post-70694","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-denuclearizee","tag-freeman","tag-hamas","tag-iran","tag-israel","tag-lieberman","tag-lobby","tag-madesn","tag-nucleaire","tag-zone"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70694","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=70694"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70694\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=70694"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=70694"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=70694"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}