{"id":70893,"date":"2009-07-08T06:03:09","date_gmt":"2009-07-08T06:03:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/07\/08\/feu-vert-ou-faux-pas\/"},"modified":"2009-07-08T06:03:09","modified_gmt":"2009-07-08T06:03:09","slug":"feu-vert-ou-faux-pas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/07\/08\/feu-vert-ou-faux-pas\/","title":{"rendered":"Feu vert ou faux pas?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>L&rsquo;affaire de la d\u00e9claration du vice-pr\u00e9sident US Joe Biden, interpr\u00e9t\u00e9e d&rsquo;abord comme un feu vert \u00e0 une attaque isra\u00e9lienne de l&rsquo;Iran, lors de son interview \u00e0 <em>ABC.News<\/em> par George Staphanopoulos, le <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/print?id=8002421\" class=\"gen\">5 juillet 2009<\/a>, a d\u00e9clench\u00e9 une succession d&rsquo;interventions diverses, bref une sans doute br\u00e8ve temp\u00eate diplomatique que d&rsquo;autres qualifierait de temp\u00eate dans un verre d&rsquo;au m\u00e9diatique. Nous en parlions hier <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-ah_non_pas_bomb_bomb_bomb_iran__07_07_2009.html\" class=\"gen\">7 juillet 2009<\/a>. La chose m\u00e9rite une clarification technique, ou une tentative de clarification technique.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tVoici d&rsquo;abord, restitu\u00e9 tel qu&rsquo;<em>ABC.News<\/em> l&rsquo;a communiqu\u00e9e, la transcription du passage incrimin\u00e9.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<strong><em>STEPHANOPOULOS<\/em><\/strong><em>: And meanwhile, Prime Minister Netanyahu has made it pretty clear that he agreed with President Obama to give until the end of the year for this whole process of engagement to work. After that, he&rsquo;s prepared to make matters into his own hands.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Is that the right approach?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>BIDEN<\/em><\/strong><em>: Look, Israel can determine for itself it&rsquo;s a sovereign nation what&rsquo;s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>STEPHANOPOULOS<\/em><\/strong><em>: Whether we agree or not?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>BIDEN<\/em><\/strong><em>: Whether we agree or not. They&rsquo;re entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation that&rsquo;s going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>What we believe is in the national interest of the United States, which we, coincidentally, believe is also in the interest of Israel and the whole world. And so there are separate issues.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>STEPHANOPOULOS<\/em><\/strong><em>: But just to be clear here, if the Israelis decide Iran is an existential threat, they have to take out the nuclear program, militarily the United States will not stand in the way?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>BIDEN<\/em><\/strong><em>: Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination, if they make a determination that they&rsquo;re existentially threatened and their survival is threatened by another country.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>STEPHANOPOULOS<\/em><\/strong><em>: You say we can&rsquo;t dictate, but we can, if we choose to, deny over-flight rights here in Iraq. We can stand in the way of a military strike.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<strong><em>BIDEN<\/em><\/strong><em>: I&rsquo;m not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to say Israel has a right to determine what&rsquo;s in its interests, and we have a right and we will determine what&rsquo;s in our interests.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tD&rsquo;autre part, il nous a sembl\u00e9 int\u00e9ressant de signaler un commentaire tr\u00e8s technique, \u00e9galement, sur la fa\u00e7on dont Biden a \u00e9t\u00e9 interrog\u00e9, sur ce qu&rsquo;il a r\u00e9pondu dans ces conditions, en gardant \u00e0 l&rsquo;esprit que Biden est un sp\u00e9cialiste des faux pas, des gaffes dans ses d\u00e9clarations publiques. Le commentaire vient de <em>The Washington Note<\/em>, de Jon Weinberg, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thewashingtonnote.com\/archives\/2009\/07\/guest_post_from_3\/#more\" class=\"gen\">7 juillet 2009<\/a> et il s&rsquo;agit bien de la description technique de l&rsquo;entretien, notamment comment Biden a \u00e9t\u00e9 enferm\u00e9 dans un coin sous les questions de Stephanopoulos, et en position tr\u00e8s difficile pour r\u00e9pondre sur ce sujet extr\u00eamement sensible<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Perhaps Biden did not provide a suitably diplomatic answer to Stephanopoulos&rsquo; core question on Israel&rsquo;s right to attack Iran, and his bluntness seemed to run counter to President Obama&rsquo;s recent clarification: What is also true is, it is the policy of the United States to try to resolve the issue of Iran&rsquo;s nuclear capabilities<\/em>  [&#8230;] <em>through diplomatic channels.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Biden spoke of a sovereign nation&rsquo;s right to protect itself. After all, even the most dovish Israeli administration  and, for that matter, many Arab governments  would inevitably fear a nuclear Iran under the leadership of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Looking through the show&rsquo;s transcript, what I find most striking is that rather than giving Israel the green light to attack Iran, as international and even the Israeli press have been quick to assert, Biden was surprisingly measured given that Stephanopoulos had backed him into an extraordinarily tough corner.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>And his answer was straightforward enough, even too straightforward: Nowhere does he actually suggest that Israel would have American support for attacking Iran. Instead, Biden repeatedly emphasizes and reiterates that America does not single-handedly dictate Israel&rsquo;s interests, regardless of accusations to the contrary. He even refers to the national interests of Israel and the US as coincidentally aligned. I&rsquo;m no linguist, but I do know that an alliance of coincidence implies a less than rock-solid relationship.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Perhaps most strikingly, the vice president tactfully avoids Stephanopoulos&rsquo; most loaded question: whether the US would stand in the way of an Israeli military strike by denying Israel the use of Iraqi airspace. Biden responds, I&rsquo;m not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to say Israel has a right to determine what&rsquo;s in its interests, and we have a right and we will determine what&rsquo;s in our interests.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Unlike what many have taken away from the interview, this latter statement alongside that of the coincidental interests of the US and Israel seems to actually suggest, however vaguely, that the Obama administration does not tacitly approve of Israel acting unilaterally, but understands that Israel may do so  that currently, the two country&rsquo;s interests are somewhat aligned, but that they could diverge.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Short of evading these questions completely  which, if executed skillfully, would probably have been the best option  Biden had little choice other than to remain as ambiguous as he could. His task was to simultaneously project the president&rsquo;s unclenched fist policy of prospective reconciliation with Iran alongside continuing support for Israel, which is no easy task.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Biden completed this task, but did a messy job. He did make clear that the US does not dictate policy to Israel, but that that does not mean that the US would support an Israeli strike against Iranian targets. This is not the green light, yellow light, or red light that many understand it to be. Rather, it is yet another of many repeated announcements to stay tuned.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDonc, pas de faux pas et pas de feu vert Mais il est certain que, lorsqu&rsquo;on conna\u00eet la personnalit\u00e9 de Biden, sa propension aux fameux faux pas verbaux, on est tent\u00e9 de s&rsquo;acharner d\u00e8s lors qu&rsquo;on sent qu&rsquo;on le tient sur une question sensible et que lui-m\u00eame, Biden, n&rsquo;a pas tranch\u00e9 assez nettement en donnant une r\u00e9ponse d\u00e9finitive, \u00e9ventuellement abrupte (y compris : Je ne sp\u00e9cule pas sur ce genre de choses, point final). Il devient alors tentant de le coincer dans un coin, rh\u00e9toriquement parlant, et de le presser comme un citron jusqu\u00e0 ce que, dans ses r\u00e9ponses ambigu\u00ebs, sorte une phrase ou l&rsquo;autre qui puisse pr\u00eater \u00e0 interpr\u00e9tation ou \u00e0 confusion. Or, l&rsquo;ambigu\u00eft\u00e9 est le domaine m\u00eame de l&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation oi de la confusion. Biden n&rsquo;a pas fait de faux pas verbal mais sa r\u00e9putation, et sa faiblesse rh\u00e9torique \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard, ont fait que tout s&rsquo;est pass\u00e9 comme s&rsquo;il l&rsquo;avait fait \u00e0 cause de l&rsquo;acharnement somme toute normal (\u00e0 cause de la r\u00e9putation de Biden et des conceptions de cette sorte d&rsquo;activit\u00e9 du <em>talk-show<\/em>) du journaliste.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tPour le reste, l&rsquo;ensemble donne bien l&rsquo;impression d&rsquo;une manuvre classique de communication dans le cours d&rsquo;une interview, pav\u00e9e d&rsquo;\u00e9vidence (Isra\u00ebl est un Etat souverain) qui pr\u00eatent aussit\u00f4t \u00e0 interpr\u00e9tation lorsqu&rsquo;elles sont exploit\u00e9es comme il faut par un encha\u00eenement de questions marqu\u00e9es par l&rsquo; insinuation. Ni feu vert ni faux pas, plut\u00f4t une aventure de plus dans un processus de communication qui est devenu en soi une id\u00e9ologie de l&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme, qui est bien la principale caract\u00e9ristique d&rsquo;une \u00e9poque.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 8 juillet 2009 \u00e0 06H06<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>L&rsquo;affaire de la d\u00e9claration du vice-pr\u00e9sident US Joe Biden, interpr\u00e9t\u00e9e d&rsquo;abord comme un feu vert \u00e0 une attaque isra\u00e9lienne de l&rsquo;Iran, lors de son interview \u00e0 ABC.News par George Staphanopoulos, le 5 juillet 2009, a d\u00e9clench\u00e9 une succession d&rsquo;interventions diverses, bref une sans doute br\u00e8ve temp\u00eate diplomatique que d&rsquo;autres qualifierait de temp\u00eate dans un verre&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[8454,1235,5786,2773,5960,5174],"class_list":["post-70893","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-abc-news","tag-biden","tag-feu","tag-iran","tag-stephanopoulos","tag-vert"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70893","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=70893"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70893\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=70893"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=70893"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=70893"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}