On sait la situation tendue en Afghanistan, et notamment entre le pr\u00e9sident Karza\u00ef et l’administration Obama. On sait que cette tension, dans le cadre d’\u00e9lections pr\u00e9sidentielles tr\u00e8s jazzy<\/em>, selon les normes d\u00e9mocratiques occidentales convoy\u00e9es par les Special Forces US et leurs suppl\u00e9tifs de Blackwater, s’est concr\u00e9tis\u00e9e par un redoutable incident<\/a> entre Karza\u00ef et Holbrooke. Au fait, justement Cet incident a-t-il eu lieu?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t Pas du tout, disent des sources plus ou moins officielles que l’officieux New York Times<\/em>, vecteur gouvernemental US de la presse-Pravda<\/em>, s’empresse de reproduire, le 29 ao\u00fbt 2009<\/a><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00abA person familiar with the meeting, which also included Lt. Gen. Karl W. Eikenberry, the American ambassador to Afghanistan, and the deputy ambassador, Francis J. Ricciardone Jr., said that the three Americans went in to see Mr. Karzai and discussed two things: how Mr. Karzai would govern if he were re-elected, and how the elections had gone.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbThe three Americans told Mr. Karzai, the person said, that the United States was maintaining a neutral position in the elections, and that it would leave decisions about whether a runoff was needed to the Afghan elections commission and the electoral complaints commission.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbMr. Karzai told the Americans, according to this account, that he believed that he had won. Mr. Holbrooke, administration officials said, did not demand a runoff during the meeting, but did express concern about the complaints about fraud and ballot-box stuffing. The Americans left the meeting and described it as routine.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbA few days after, reports surfaced in international and Afghan news outlets that Mr. Holbrooke had demanded a runoff election in what one report characterized as the explosive meeting with Mr. Karzai, a charge which the Americans deny vociferously.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t Au contraire! rench\u00e9rissent les Britanniques, pas sympas dans cette occurrence puisque ce sont eux qui ont lev\u00e9 le li\u00e8vre. Apr\u00e8s The Independent<\/em>, BBC.News<\/em>, etc., le Sunday Times<\/em> revient sur l’affaire ce 30 ao\u00fbt 2009<\/a>. Il donne nombre de d\u00e9tails croustillants, qui rendent compte d’une atmosph\u00e8re bien plus explosive que sur les insaisissables champs de bataille de l’Afghanistan. \u00abAt one point the Afghan president whipped off his distinctive karakul sheepskin hat and slammed it onto the table where the two men were having dinner, a day after the disputed August 20 election. For an Afghan man to do that, it’s a big gesture, said a local businessman. It’s like throwing down the gauntlet.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPuisqu’il faut bien tenir compte de ce qui est imprim\u00e9 dans la presse d’Outre-Atlantique, le Sunday Times<\/em> consent \u00e0 y faire allusion. Les termes sont assez \u00e9tonnants puisque l’explication est que les sources officielles US ont choisi une version s\u00e9lective de la rencontre, rendant compte par cons\u00e9quent d’une r\u00e9alit\u00e9 qui serait pass\u00e9e \u00e0 la machine \u00e0 laver avant d’\u00eatre soigneusement repass\u00e9e, pour qu’il n’y ait ni t\u00e2che, ni pli \u00abAmerican officials downplayed the row yesterday and said they believed Karzai’s agents leaked a selective version of the meeting to make it look as if he was resisting US pressure to force him to hold a second round when he was already the winner.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t Pas du tout ont donc dit les Am\u00e9ricains, et ils se sont expliqu\u00e9s sur la fausse-vraie version dont les Britanniques affirment qu’elle est plut\u00f4t vraie que fausse. Ils y voient une manigance de Karza\u00ef pour gagner de la popularit\u00e9 en Afghanistan car, en Afghanistan, si vous \u00eates mal, tr\u00e8s mal avec les Am\u00e9ricains, vous \u00eates populaires, tr\u00e8s populaires. D’o\u00f9 des explications embarrass\u00e9es et furieuses \u00e0 la fois.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00abFor Mr. Obama, who is on vacation here in Martha’s Vineyard, and his administration, it is the worst of all possible outcomes. Administration officials have made no secret of their growing disenchantment with Mr. Karzai, who is viewed by the West as having so compromised himself to try to get elected including striking deals with accused drug dealers and warlords for political gain that he will be a hindrance to international efforts to get the country on track after the election.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbBut Mr. Karzai, in a feat of political shrewdness that has surprised some in the Obama administration, has managed to turn that disenchantment to an advantage, portraying himself at home as the only political candidate willing to stand up to the dictates of the United States, according to Western officials.<\/em> []<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbThe administration officials accused Mr. Karzai’s agents of leaking to the news media select portions of the exchange between the two men, in order to make it look as if Obama administration were trying to force the rightful winner of the Afghan presidential elections Mr. Karzai into holding a runoff to satisfy American demands.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbMr. Karzai, a senior administration official said, has a longstanding pattern of creating a straw man of America’s positions, and rallying people around that. But contrary to those reports, no one shouted, no one walked out of the meeting, he said.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPar cons\u00e9quent, il n’y a pas eu d’accrochage entre Karza\u00ef et Holbrooke, mais les relations entre Karza\u00ef et les USA sont, \u00e0 la suite de cet incident-qui-n’a-pas-eu-lieu, pires que jamais. (\u00ab The fiery meeting appears to have plunged American-Afghan relations to a post-Taliban low<\/em>\u00bb, \u00e9crit le Sunday Times<\/em>.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tL’affaire, qu’elle ait eu lieu ou pas et l’on comprend que, dans notre univers virtualiste, les deux r\u00e9alit\u00e9s sont acceptables montre dans tous les cas l’\u00e9tat de la situation politique en Afghanistan. Elle fait admettre qu’il y a de fortes chances que Karza\u00ef, de plus en plus press\u00e9 par ses alli\u00e9s occidentalistes divers, se tourne de plus en plus vers une attitude et une politique franchement anti-US puisqu’il est si \u00e9vident que c’est la clef de la popularit\u00e9. Ainsi pourrait-on voir cette marionnette absolument corrompue acqu\u00e9rir de plus en plus de ce qui lui manquait \u00e9videmment, qui est la l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9. \u00abNobody should apologise for being anti-American… wear the badge with pride.<\/em>\u00bb \u00e9crit, \u00e0 un tout autre propos, Peter Wilby dans The New Statesman<\/em> du 27 ao\u00fbt 2009<\/a>; non seulement fiert\u00e9, mais avec le plus grand profit politique.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n \tMis en ligne le 31 ao\u00fbt 2009 \u00e0 05H12<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" On sait la situation tendue en Afghanistan, et notamment entre le pr\u00e9sident Karza\u00ef et l’administration Obama. On sait que cette tension, dans le cadre d’\u00e9lections pr\u00e9sidentielles tr\u00e8s jazzy, selon les normes d\u00e9mocratiques occidentales convoy\u00e9es par les Special Forces US et leurs suppl\u00e9tifs de Blackwater, s’est concr\u00e9tis\u00e9e par un redoutable incident entre Karza\u00ef et Holbrooke. 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