{"id":71191,"date":"2009-10-21T18:40:44","date_gmt":"2009-10-21T18:40:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/10\/21\/israel-et-turquie-ou-le-desamour-sans-retour\/"},"modified":"2009-10-21T18:40:44","modified_gmt":"2009-10-21T18:40:44","slug":"israel-et-turquie-ou-le-desamour-sans-retour","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/10\/21\/israel-et-turquie-ou-le-desamour-sans-retour\/","title":{"rendered":"Isra\u00ebl et Turquie, ou le d\u00e9samour sans retour"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Un assez long article de <em>Defense News<\/em>, publi\u00e9 \u00e0 partir de Tel-Aviv, donc principalement \u00e0 partir de sources isra\u00e9liennes, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/story.php?i=4330345&#038;c=FEA&#038;s=CVS\" class=\"gen\">18 octobre 2009<\/a>, montre que le d\u00e9saccord entre les deux pays touche \u00e9galement Isra\u00ebl sur un mode notablement offensif. D&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on plut\u00f4t sibylline, \u00e0 moins qu&rsquo;il ne soit fait allusion au d\u00e9saccord remontant \u00e0 2002-2003 concernant le soutien isra\u00e9lien aux Kurdes d&rsquo;Irak, l&rsquo;article observe apr\u00e8s avoir d\u00e9taill\u00e9 les conditions d&rsquo;une brouille affectant fortement les liens militaires, notamment industriels et de coop\u00e9ration diverses: \u00ab<em>One top Israeli defense executive, however, expressed a widely held sentiment that the Turkish-Israeli relationship actually died a few years ago and that the current rift is merely the public manifestation of a partnership that has long ceased.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tSur l&rsquo;aspect g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, il s&rsquo;agit donc constat tr\u00e8s s\u00e9rieux de d\u00e9saccord structurel, donc en train de s&rsquo;installer.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The growing Israel-Turkey rift that culminated in Ankara canceling Israeli participation in a multinational exercise threatens to derail already declining defense cooperation between the two countries, said officials from both countries. Israel plans to withhold export licenses for the sale of defense articles and services to Turkey, and demote the country&rsquo;s standing from preferred to one that carries a presumption of denial, Ministry of Defense sources said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Any requests from Turkey will continue to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, but now the highest political levels will have to be more involved in the process, one MoD official said. Additionally, the official said MoD is not responding, for the time being, to requests from Turkish industrialists to receive technical briefings in Israel by their Israeli counterparts.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Tentative plans called for MoD to host a visiting Turkish defense industries delegation in the coming weeks, but plans for that visit are now on indefinite hold, he said. We&rsquo;re not saying no, and we&rsquo;re not saying yes. We hope this crisis will pass quickly and that working relations will resume. But this decision must be made at the higher levels, the official said.<\/em> []<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>For their part, Turkish officials and analysts said it would be practically impossible for Israeli manufacturers to win Turkish contracts before the two countries find compromise. We don&rsquo;t think there would be political will to award defense contracts to Israeli companies as long as relations remain as tense as they are today, a Turkish procurement official said<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t L&rsquo;article est notablement clair. Il montre que, d\u00e9sormais, les deux <em>establishments<\/em> militaro-industriel n&rsquo;envisagent plus vraiment des relations qui ne soient pas d&rsquo;abord pr\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9es par une am\u00e9liorations des relations politiques  laquelle semble bien \u00e9loign\u00e9e. Il n&rsquo;y a plus de liens sp\u00e9cifiques, ce qui traduit sans aucun doute une rupture de ce qui pouvait \u00eatre consid\u00e9r\u00e9 \u00e0 un moment comme se rapprochant d&rsquo;une alliance strat\u00e9gique. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLe sentiment est partag\u00e9, en Isra\u00ebl comme en Turquie, ce qui conduit \u00e0 observer qu&rsquo;il ne s&rsquo;agit plus d&rsquo;une querelle de faction, d&rsquo;orientation politique d&rsquo;une faction politique, voire d&rsquo;un incident d&rsquo;humeur de la part d&rsquo;un dirigeant politique, etc. De tous les c\u00f4t\u00e9s, les indications montrent qu&rsquo;une situation structurelle est en train de se mettre en place avec des cons\u00e9quences en cha\u00eene au niveau des relations strat\u00e9giques, militaires et industrielles. Ce sont deux pays qui rompent, qui officialisent leur rupture.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCe qui est remarquable dans l&rsquo;article, c&rsquo;est la sensation qui se d\u00e9gage d&rsquo;une esp\u00e8ce d&rsquo;indiff\u00e9rence des Isra\u00e9liens (des militaires) devant cette rupture, et une certaine acceptation presque tranquille, non d\u00e9pourvue d&rsquo;une certaine arrogance. Les officiels militaires isra\u00e9liens semblent plut\u00f4t assur\u00e9s, d&rsquo;abord que la rupture est plut\u00f4t de la responsabilit\u00e9 des Turcs, ensuite que ce sont les Turcs qui ont le plus \u00e0 perdre dans cette querelle. Ce sentiment ressort bien du climat g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de l&rsquo;<em>establishment<\/em> militaro-politique isra\u00e9lien, \u00e0 la fois assur\u00e9 de sa sup\u00e9riorit\u00e9 technologique et militaire, assur\u00e9 d&rsquo;un soutien US de toutes les fa\u00e7ons, et totalement indiff\u00e9rent pour l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement ou la conservation de liens avec l&rsquo;un ou l&rsquo;autre pays musulman de la r\u00e9gion. C&rsquo;est la psychologie type forteresse assi\u00e9g\u00e9e, mais forteresse s\u00fbre d&rsquo;\u00e9craser tous les assaillants possibles (bien entendu, on a d\u00e9j\u00e0 oubli\u00e9 l&rsquo;aventure contre le Hezbollah en 2006); qui plus est, une psychologie qui se sent totalement \u00e9trang\u00e8re \u00e0 la r\u00e9gion dans lequel Isra\u00ebl se trouve, voyant dans tous ses voisins des ennemis potentiels, dans tous les cas avec lesquels il est inutile de faire quelque effort s\u00e9rieux pour s&rsquo;accommoder. C&rsquo;est la confirmation que la parano\u00efa qui s&rsquo;est \u00e9tablie durant les ann\u00e9es Bush, bas\u00e9e aussi bien sur l&rsquo;hostilit\u00e9 \u00e0 tout ce qui est musulman d&rsquo;une part, sur l&rsquo;arrogance du technologisme propre \u00e0 la culture-Pentagone dont cet <em>establishment<\/em> est impr\u00e9gn\u00e9 d&rsquo;autre part, est plus que jamais en mode turbo, notamment avec l&rsquo;arriv\u00e9e de l&rsquo;\u00e9quipe Netanyahou.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tEn contrepartie, cette situation renforce notablement le pouvoir turc, et donc sa politique, en confirmant que l&rsquo;<em>establishment<\/em> militaire turc est de plus en plus \u00e9loign\u00e9 de ses liens traditionnels avec l&rsquo;axe Isra\u00ebl-Pentagone qui a soutenu pendant des ann\u00e9es la menace que ces militaires faisaient peser sur le pouvoir civil. Tout ce qui \u00e9loigne la Turquie d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl, \u00e0 cette aune, renforce le pouvoir d&rsquo;Erdogan et de sa politique <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-pourquoi_pas_un_modele_turc__14_10_2009.html\" class=\"gen\">novatrice<\/a> qui prend de plus en plus ses distances des lignes radicales occidentalistes et am\u00e9ricanistes.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 21 octobre 2009 \u00e0 18H44<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Un assez long article de Defense News, publi\u00e9 \u00e0 partir de Tel-Aviv, donc principalement \u00e0 partir de sources isra\u00e9liennes, le 18 octobre 2009, montre que le d\u00e9saccord entre les deux pays touche \u00e9galement Isra\u00ebl sur un mode notablement offensif. D&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on plut\u00f4t sibylline, \u00e0 moins qu&rsquo;il ne soit fait allusion au d\u00e9saccord remontant \u00e0 2002-2003&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[2996,5742,3737,2774,8829,2789,3068,4268,2613],"class_list":["post-71191","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-alliance","tag-arrogance","tag-erdogan","tag-israel","tag-israelienne","tag-rupture","tag-strategique","tag-technologisme","tag-turquie"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71191","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=71191"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71191\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=71191"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=71191"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=71191"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}