{"id":71199,"date":"2009-10-23T09:19:34","date_gmt":"2009-10-23T09:19:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/10\/23\/trimble-le-rafale-le-koweit-et-bernadette-de-lourdes\/"},"modified":"2009-10-23T09:19:34","modified_gmt":"2009-10-23T09:19:34","slug":"trimble-le-rafale-le-koweit-et-bernadette-de-lourdes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2009\/10\/23\/trimble-le-rafale-le-koweit-et-bernadette-de-lourdes\/","title":{"rendered":"Trimble, le Rafale<\/em>, le Kowe\u00eft et Bernadette de Lourdes"},"content":{"rendered":"

Le journaliste britannique Stephen Trimble, qui tient son blog<\/em> (DEW Line<\/em>) sur le site FlightGlobal<\/em> de Flight International<\/em>, est un excellent commentateur anglo-saxon (dito<\/em>, britannique) des questions d’armement, surtout de l’a\u00e9ronautique. Nous le mettrions dans la cat\u00e9gorie d’un Bill Sweetman, parmi ces journalistes britanniques qui ne sont pas aveugl\u00e9s par l’\u00e9clat de l’ombre am\u00e9ricaniste pesant sur le Royaume-Uni. You see what I mean<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tLe 21 octobre 2009<\/a>, il consacre un \u00e9cho, avec une superbe photo de l’avion, \u00e0 l’affaire<\/a> Rafale<\/em>-Kowe\u00eft. Le titre vaut pour le sort of…<\/em>: \u00abDassault Rafale sort of scores again<\/em>\u00bb puis, pour le premier et le dernier paragraphe, que nous encha\u00eenons directement (le soulign\u00e9 par l’auteur) (Entre eux, Trimble rappelle d’autres cas du Rafale<\/em>, aux EAU et au Br\u00e9sil.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00abNever before perhaps has a fighter been selected by so many countries without actually, you know,<\/em> signing an order.<\/em><\/strong> [] The Dubai Air Show is next month. Will it finally be Rafale’s turn to participate in a contract signing ceremony?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCe petit \u00e9cho est suivi d’un \u00e9change entre un lecteur, un type \u00e9trange, venu d’on ne sait o\u00f9 Charles de Gaulle (en abr\u00e9g\u00e9 CdG), vous connaissez? et Stephen Trimble.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCharle de Gaulle<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abSigning an order, you said? Well, we will see. Add also Switzerland, this brave new Libyan world and who knows?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbAs a high ranking official from South Korea recalled us recently: The Rafale was close to be selected by our Air Force but …very strong political pressures came from this brave new Bush! Quite a pity because the French jet was smart and it flies<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bb\u00d4! Just one last question: after years of massive successes for the JSF, how many orders from foreign countries?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tStephen Trimble<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abCdG makes a good point about the F-35. I think there are four aircraft on order for export. Two for the UK and two for the Netherlands, although the latter may only have one. So three or four, anyway.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tCharle de Gaulle<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abGood to listen to attentive friends like Stephen Trimble.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbH\u00e9las you are right: two countries ordered four of those strange \u00ab\u00a0test F-35\u00a0\u00bb (operational \/ prototypes) and at what price! NL parliamentarians were close to have an heart attack No F-35 more after +\/-20 years of research development.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbThe NL asked for more time, the UK asks for carriers and cash, the Norwegians asks for a definitive price, the Italians have other subjects to deal with (and are unofficially happy with this artificial delay), the Turks have a declaratory policy for 20 more, Israel went from 100 to 25 to 50 planned orders, etc<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbNothing like signing an order for the best world fighter. Check it.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbPS: Only the US pretends that the F-35 is a fifth generation fighter and (all) other fighter from fourth (or fourth and a half for the friends). The French quietly say that the Rafale could be from the sixth generation, just for fun.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tJoyeux \u00e9change, sans aucun doute, o\u00f9 il faut appr\u00e9cier le fair play<\/em> et la loyaut\u00e9 de Trimble en m\u00eame temps que la bonne tenue de l’information outre-tombe dont dispose le sacr\u00e9 CdG. Il n’emp\u00eache, il y a son commentaire de d\u00e9part (de Trimble), qui rel\u00e8ve d’un tropisme anglo-saxon qu’il subit, malgr\u00e9 ses qualit\u00e9s \u00e9videntes. Ce tropisme est celui de l’inexistence absolue, compl\u00e8te, quasiment ontologique du Rafale<\/em> dans le monde a\u00e9ronautique et de la communication anglo-saxonis\u00e9e depuis vingt ans, suivie de l’ironie d’annonces d’int\u00e9r\u00eat plus que marqu\u00e9 pour le Rafale<\/em> (qui viennent tout de m\u00eame de ministres de la d\u00e9fense des EAU et du Kowe\u00eft et d’un pr\u00e9sident br\u00e9silien) ironie, puisque concernant quelque chose qui, jusqu’ici, n’existait pas. Nous avons le souvenir de certaines analyses prospectives de march\u00e9 d’avions de combat, essentiellement US, d’un Aboulafia par exemple, mais aussi britanniques, o\u00f9 le Rafale<\/em> n’apparaissait simplement pas. Cette constance pendant deux d\u00e9cennies de la presse anglo-saxonne, ma\u00eetresse absolue de l’information du domaine, repr\u00e9sente un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne auquel un th\u00e9sard devrait consacrer son \u00e9nergie, plut\u00f4t que lire des commentaires (fran\u00e7ais ceux-l\u00e0) tels que \u00ab\u00e9checs r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9s de l’avion-phare de l’industrie a\u00e9rienne de d\u00e9fense fran\u00e7aise qui n’a encore jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 export\u00e9<\/em>\u00bb (Le Monde<\/em> du 21 octobre). <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tDans ce cas, l’apparition du Rafale<\/em> dans les possibilit\u00e9s d’exportation ressemble effectivement \u00e0 une sorte de r\u00e9apparition de la gentille Bernadette \u00e0 Lourdes (nous avons des explications<\/a> plus prosa\u00efques). M\u00eame le chouette Trimble ne r\u00e9siste pas \u00e0 l’ironie, et cela se comprend. Puis, avec le JSF, by Jove<\/em>, il retombe dans le monde r\u00e9el. Il le reconna\u00eet aussit\u00f4t, ce qui est tout \u00e0 son honneur et donne au Rafale<\/em> le droit d’exister. Il est vrai, apr\u00e8s tout, que le meilleur alli\u00e9 au monde du Rafale<\/em>, n’en doutons pas, c’est bien le JSF. Les Fran\u00e7ais n’ont pas encore compris cela alors que les Britanniques commencent \u00e0 se douter de quelque chose.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\tMis en ligne le 23 octobre 2009 \u00e0 09H28<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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