{"id":71771,"date":"2010-04-13T12:32:42","date_gmt":"2010-04-13T12:32:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2010\/04\/13\/la-guerre-de-secession-continue-a-avoir-lieu\/"},"modified":"2010-04-13T12:32:42","modified_gmt":"2010-04-13T12:32:42","slug":"la-guerre-de-secession-continue-a-avoir-lieu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2010\/04\/13\/la-guerre-de-secession-continue-a-avoir-lieu\/","title":{"rendered":"La Guerre de S\u00e9cession continue \u00e0 avoir lieu"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h2 class=\"titleset_a.deepgreen\" style=\"color:#75714d;font-size:2em;\">La Guerre de S\u00e9cession continue \u00e0 avoir lieu<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>Comme on peut le voir par ailleurs et fort \u00e0 propos, dans notre <em>F&#038;C<\/em> de ce m\u00eame <a class=\"gen\" href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_deuxieme_guerre_de_secession_13_04_2010.html?admin=1\">13 avril 2010<\/a>, la \u00ab\u00a0deuxi\u00e8me guerre de s\u00e9cession\u00a0\u00bb, se frayant son passage dans les voies du syst\u00e8me de communication, est en plein d\u00e9veloppement.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>Nous donnons ici trois extraits concernant la pol\u00e9mique sur les causes de la Guerre de S\u00e9cession, &ndash; <em>Civil War<\/em>, selon le choix qu&rsquo;on en fait. Deux extraits actuels, un plus ancien, tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressant \u00e0 cause de l&rsquo;auteur.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&bull; Un extrait d&rsquo;un texte de Patrick J. Buchanan, de <em>The American Conservative<\/em> le <a class=\"gen\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/blog\/2010\/04\/08\/the-people-youre-allowed-to-hate\/\">8 avril 2010<\/a>, aussi bien sur les causes de la guerre que sur les \u00ab\u00a0terroristes\u00a0\u00bb, &ndash; de quel c\u00f4t\u00e9 se trouvaient-ils, en v\u00e9rit\u00e9? De toutes les fa\u00e7ons, qu&rsquo;importe, Buchanan est class\u00e9 sous le label \u00ab\u00a0raciste\u00a0\u00bb et tout ce qu&rsquo;il \u00e9crira n&rsquo;y changera rien. Raison de plus pour le lire, sans s&rsquo;int\u00e9resser \u00e0 leurs empaquetages.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&laquo;<em>In his first inaugural, Lincoln sought to appease the states that had seceded by endorsing a constitutional amendment to make slavery permanent in the 15 states where it then existed. He even offered to help the Southern states run down fugitive slaves.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>In 1862, Lincoln wrote Horace Greeley that if he could restore the Union without freeing one slave he would do it. The Emancipation Proclamation of Jan. 1, 1863, freed only those slaves Lincoln had no power to free &mdash; those still under Confederate rule. As for slaves in the Union states of Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, they remained the property of their owners.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>As for \u00ab\u00a0terrorists,\u00a0\u00bb no army fought more honorably than Robert E. Lee&rsquo;s Army of Northern Virginia. Few deny that.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>The great terrorist in that war was William Tecumseh Sherman, who violated all the known rules of war by looting, burning and pillaging on his infamous March to the Sea from Atlanta to Savannah. Sherman would later be given command of the war against the Plains Indians and advocate extermination of the Sioux.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>\u00ab\u00a0The only good Indian is a dead Indian\u00a0\u00bb is attributed both to Sherman and Gen. Phil Sheridan, who burned the Shenandoah and carried out Sherman&rsquo;s ruthless policy against the Indians. Both have statues and circles named for them in Washington, D.C.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>If Martin thinks Sherman a hero, he might study what happened to the slave women of Columbia, S.C., when \u00ab\u00a0Uncle Billy&rsquo;s\u00a0\u00bb boys in blue arrived to burn the city&#8230;<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&bull; De Eric Palmer, sur <em>ELP Defen(c)se<\/em>, le <a class=\"gen\" href=\"http:\/\/ericpalmer.wordpress.com\/2010\/04\/12\/cnn-political-analyst-confederates-were-terrorists\/\">12 avril 2010<\/a>. Preuve de l&rsquo;universalit\u00e9 du sujet et de l&rsquo;int\u00e9r\u00eat de la pol\u00e9mique soulev\u00e9e&hellip; Palmer ne s&rsquo;int\u00e9resse sur son site qu&rsquo;aux sujets de d\u00e9fense de notre \u00e9poque (notamment le JSF, qu&rsquo;il ait d&rsquo;une haine quasiment conf\u00e9d\u00e9r\u00e9e). Pourtant, il s&rsquo;est attach\u00e9 \u00e0 cette question, tout en pr\u00e9cisant que, citoyen am\u00e9ricain, ses anc\u00eatres de ses deux branches familiales servirent tous dans les arm\u00e9es du Nord.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&laquo;<em>Even if the horrors of slavery did not exist, the Civil War could still have happened. For instance; even as far back as the 1830s there were problems with the agrarian South complaining about the the political influence of the industrial North putting tariffs on imported textiles from Britain. Guess where Britain got some of their cotton? The Civil War wasn&rsquo;t the first time some thought about seceding from the union.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>While it was the primary cause, the American Civil War wasn&rsquo;t just about slavery. If it was President Lincoln could have declared their freedom as soon as the war started if not sooner. The American Civil War was also about States rights. It is after all the United States of America and not the United Federal Government of America. A concept we are facing again today with an all-knowing and oppressive Federal Government largess.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo;<em>The after effects of this war are many. Slaves were freed but eliminating racism still has a long row to hoe. I say \u00ab\u00a0eliminate\u00a0\u00bb but it is more realistic to say \u00ab\u00a0reduce\u00a0\u00bb. There will always be ignorant people&hellip;<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&bull; &Ecirc;nfin, la troisi\u00e8me citation est de Ron Paul, le fameux d\u00e9put\u00e9 texan, qui occupe une place si originale dans le parti r\u00e9publicain et sur l&rsquo;\u00e9chiquier politique US. Ron Paul r\u00e9pond ici \u00e0 une interview de <em>MSNBC.com<\/em>, du <a class=\"gen\" href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/22342301\/page\/4\/\">23 d\u00e9cembre 2007<\/a>, de Tim Russert. Nous donnons le passage concernant l&rsquo;esclavage, la <em>Civil War<\/em>, etc.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Tim Rusert<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>Our issues this Sunday: Our Meet the Candidates 2008 series continues, an exclusive interview with Republican Ron Paul. He has served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 18 years. In 1988 he was the Libertarian Party candidate for president. Since October he has raised nearly $19 million. That is more than any other Republican candidate for president. Our guest, Dr. Ron Paul.<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>[&hellip;]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Tim Rusert<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>You would vote against the Civil Rights Act if, if it was today?<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Rep. Paul<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>If it were written the same way, where the federal government&rsquo;s taken over property &ndash; has nothing to do with race relations. It just happens, Tim, that I get more support from black people today than any other Republican candidate, according to some statistics. And I have a great appeal to people who care about personal liberties and to those individuals who would like to get us out of wars. So it has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the Constitution and private property rights.<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Tim Rusert<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>I was intrigued by your comments about Abe Lincoln. \u00ab\u00a0According to Paul, Abe Lincoln should never have gone to war; there were better ways of getting rid of slavery.\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Rep. Paul<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>Absolutely. Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he shouldn&rsquo;t have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the&#8211;that iron, iron fist..<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Tim Rusert<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>We&rsquo;d still have slavery.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><strong><em>Rep. Paul<\/em><\/strong> : &laquo;<em>Oh, come on, Tim. Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world. And the way I&rsquo;m advising that it should have been done is do like the British empire did. You, you buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where it lingered for 100 years? I mean, the hatred and all that existed. So every other major country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war. I mean, that doesn&rsquo;t sound too radical to me. That sounds like a pretty reasonable approach.<\/em>&raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>Comme l&rsquo;on voit, nous ne faisons gu\u00e8re de place \u00e0 l&rsquo;approche conventionnelle, <em>made in system<\/em>, de Mr. Martin, de <em>CNN.News<\/em>. Nous imaginons que sa vertu parle d&rsquo;elle-m\u00eame.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p><em>dedefensa.org<\/em><\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La Guerre de S\u00e9cession continue \u00e0 avoir lieu Comme on peut le voir par ailleurs et fort \u00e0 propos, dans notre F&#038;C de ce m\u00eame 13 avril 2010, la \u00ab\u00a0deuxi\u00e8me guerre de s\u00e9cession\u00a0\u00bb, se frayant son passage dans les voies du syst\u00e8me de communication, est en plein d\u00e9veloppement. 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