{"id":72478,"date":"2010-11-19T15:43:24","date_gmt":"2010-11-19T15:43:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2010\/11\/19\/desamour-nucleaire-et-confusion-de-destruction-massive-a-lisbonne\/"},"modified":"2010-11-19T15:43:24","modified_gmt":"2010-11-19T15:43:24","slug":"desamour-nucleaire-et-confusion-de-destruction-massive-a-lisbonne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2010\/11\/19\/desamour-nucleaire-et-confusion-de-destruction-massive-a-lisbonne\/","title":{"rendered":"D\u00e9samour nucl\u00e9aire et confusion de destruction massive \u00e0 Lisbonne"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Les points divers de d\u00e9saccord au sommet de l&rsquo;OTAN \u00e0 Lisbonne, aujourd&rsquo;hui et demain, ne manquent pas. Vous y d\u00e9compterez la question de la position de la Turquie vis-\u00e0-vis des anti-missiles, et vis-\u00e0-vis de l&rsquo;Ouest en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral ; la question des anti-missiles, justement, avec en toile de fond bariol\u00e9e celle des suspicions russes sur les anti-missiles, celle, plus g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, des rapports de l&rsquo;OTAN et de la Russie, tout cela, sur fond encore plus bariol\u00e9 d&rsquo;accord START-II <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_russie_va_devoir_revoir_sa_copie_17_11_2010.html\" class=\"gen\">cahotant<\/a> ; la question absolument r\u00e9currente de l&rsquo;Afghanistan, qui sert de chronique d\u00e9pressive de l&rsquo;Alliance depuis quelques ann\u00e9es Ajoutons-y la nouvelle querelle franco-allemande sur le nucl\u00e9aire, qui ne manque de sel dans la confusion extraordinaire qui la caract\u00e9rise, qui concerne transversalement plusieurs sujets,  les armes nucl\u00e9aires US en Europe, les rapports avec les USA et la Russie, le r\u00e9seau anti-missiles et ainsi de suite.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLes Allemands (ainsi que la Belgique et la Hollande) ne veulent plus d&rsquo;armes nucl\u00e9aires tactiques US sur leur sol. Il y a quelques mois, on disait, selon des interpr\u00e9tations europ\u00e9ennes des points de vue en vogue au Pentagone : les Am\u00e9ricains ont dit &lsquo;pas question, ces armes resteront o\u00f9 elles sont&rsquo; (bonjour, la souverainet\u00e9) Au fait, s&rsquo;agissait-il bien des Am\u00e9ricains, comme on dit, <em>as a whole<\/em> ? Si on lit bien Julian Borger, en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral bien inform\u00e9, dans le <em>Guardian<\/em> du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/world\/2010\/nov\/16\/barack-obama-nuclear-hopes-fading\" class=\"gen\">16 novembre 2010<\/a>, on est en droit de se demander si l&rsquo;absence de la mention du retrait de ces armes am\u00e9ricaines (ou <strong>am\u00e9ricanistes<\/strong>, c&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire du syst\u00e8me de l&rsquo;am\u00e9ricanisme) dans le communiqu\u00e9 du sommet de Lisbonne de demain tel qu&rsquo;il est annonc\u00e9 apr\u00e8s de rudes n\u00e9gociations, n&rsquo;est pas un revers terrible inflig\u00e9 aux ambitions de d\u00e9nucl\u00e9arisation de Barack Obama, pr\u00e9sident des USA,  qui a tous les pouvoirs sur les armes nucl\u00e9aires US, et qui s&rsquo;infligerait ainsi \u00e0 lui-m\u00eame un terrible revers sur son r\u00eave de d\u00e9nucl\u00e9arisation<D> ?  \u00ab<em>Barack Obama&rsquo;s hopes of reshaping US foreign policy stand on the brink of failure tonight, after<\/em> <strong><em>two<\/em><\/strong> <em>of his most cherished initiatives  nuclear disarmament and better relations with Moscow  were dealt serious setbacks<\/em>\u00bb On a bien not\u00e9 qu&rsquo;il y a <strong>deux<\/strong> revers pour Obama, dont le premier est \u00ab<em>According to a leaked Nato document seen by the Guardian, a move to withdraw US tactical nuclear weapons from Europe has been omitted from the alliance&rsquo;s draft strategic doctrine, due to be adopted by a summit this weekend in Lisbon<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDans le m\u00eame article du <em>Guardian<\/em>, Julian Borger d\u00e9veloppe cette version qu&rsquo;il nous pr\u00e9sente des armes nucl\u00e9aires US que la Maison-Blanche aurait voulu rapatrier, et dont la rapatriement aurait \u00e9t\u00e9 bloqu\u00e9 par les&#8230; Fran\u00e7ais. R\u00e9sumons pour faire compliqu\u00e9 ce qui, <em>in illo tempore<\/em>, \u00e9tait encore assez simple : les Allemands veulent donc que les armes nucl\u00e9aires US s&rsquo;en aillent, et les Fran\u00e7ais s&rsquo;y seraient oppos\u00e9, contre le vu des Am\u00e9ricains, qui soutenaient les Allemands.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>In the latest draft of Nato&rsquo;s new strategic concept, seen by the Guardian, nuclear weapons remain at the core of Nato doctrine, and an attempt to withdraw an estimated 200 American B-61 nuclear bombs from Europe, a legacy of the cold war, is not mentioned.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium  who all have B-61 bombs on their soil  had pushed to have the tactical weapons removed,<\/em> <strong><em>with the encouragement of supporters of disarmament in the Obama camp including the US ambassador to Nato, Ivo Daalder.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>However, in a victory for France, which led a rearguard action against diluting nuclear deterrence in Nato doctrine, the draft strategic concept states that the weapons would only be removed as a trade-off with Moscow. In any future reductions, our aim should be to seek Russian agreement to increase transparency on its nuclear weapons in Europe and relocate these weapons away from the territory of Nato members, the draft states. Any further steps must take into account the disparity with the greater Russian stockpile of short-range nuclear weapons.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tBien, nous sommes toujours \u00e0 Lisbonne, au sommet de l&rsquo;OTAN, et bien qu&rsquo;il semble s&rsquo;agir des armes nucl\u00e9aires tactiques US, il semblerait plut\u00f4t s&rsquo;agir, si l&rsquo;on fouille un peu, des armes nucl\u00e9aires en Europe, dont les Allemands voudraient \u00eatre quittes et dont les Fran\u00e7ais observent avec horreur qu&rsquo;une telle expression implique certes les armes US tactiques en Allemagne et ailleurs, mais pourraient aussi impliquer les armes nucl\u00e9aires fran\u00e7aises Les Fran\u00e7ais se retrouvent, toujours avec horreur, dans leur situation de 1986-1987 o\u00f9 ils se battaient, d&rsquo;ailleurs avec le soutien de Margaret Thatcher (et cette fois, Cameron les soutiendra-t-il ?) contre les projets divers d&rsquo;option z\u00e9ro du couple Reagan-Gorbatchev. Jusqu&rsquo;au bout, jusqu&rsquo;au trait\u00e9 d&rsquo;\u00e9limination des armes nucl\u00e9aires de th\u00e9\u00e2tre (d\u00e9cembre 1987), portant sur les <em>Pershing<\/em> et les GLCM US, et les SS-20 sovi\u00e9tiques, les Fran\u00e7ais craignirent, avec toujours cette m\u00eame horreur mais cette fois non dissimul\u00e9e, une tentative russo-am\u00e9ricaniste pour y inclure les armes nucl\u00e9aires fran\u00e7aises et britanniques.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDisons qu&rsquo;aujourd&rsquo;hui, la situation est <em>a little bit<\/em> plus confuse car, l\u00e0-dessus, se greffent l&rsquo;imbroglio des anti-missiles \u00e0 laquelle plus personne ne comprend vraiment grand&rsquo;chose et, pour couronner le tout, l&rsquo;imbroglio de START-II, \u00e0 propos duquel le Washington <em>Post<\/em> nous dit, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2010\/11\/18\/AR2010111804443.html\" class=\"gen\">18 novembre 20190<\/a>, que les Russes \u00ab<em>are mystified<\/em>\u00bb par la situation \u00e0 Washington \u00e0 ce propos.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDans tous les cas, nous affirme le m\u00eame <em>Guardian<\/em>, mais cette fois dans ses \u00e9ditions du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/world\/2010\/nov\/18\/nato-summit-nuclear-weapons-row\" class=\"gen\">18 novembre 2010<\/a>, \u00e7a chauffe entre Fran\u00e7ais et Allemands, \u00e0 l&rsquo;origine avec des Allemands dans la posture anti-am\u00e9ricaniste de vouloir le retrait des armes US, mais soutenus par les Am\u00e9ricains, contre les Fran\u00e7ais, dans une posture super-pro-am\u00e9ricaniste, mais contre le souhait des Am\u00e9ricains, pour sauvegarder la force de dissuasion nucl\u00e9aire fran\u00e7aise,  et d\u00e9sormais, sur un autre terrain qui est celui du syst\u00e8me anti-missiles que les USA veulent imposer \u00e0 l&rsquo;OTAN,  vu par les Allemands comme un moyen d&rsquo;acc\u00e9l\u00e9rer la d\u00e9nucl\u00e9arisation, vu par les Fran\u00e7ais comme un compl\u00e9ment d&rsquo;une importance marginale du fait nucl\u00e9aire (dont le fran\u00e7ais), qui doit rester central \u00e0 la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 europ\u00e9enne&#8230; A moins d&rsquo;\u00e9voquer l&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8se salvatrice du complot \u00e0 au moins cinq branches et autant de sous-branches par branche, nous dirions qu&rsquo;une chatte \u00e9prouverait quelques difficult\u00e9s \u00e0 retrouver ses petits chatons nucl\u00e9aires.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tMais enfin, citons, citons,  il en restera bien quelque chose o\u00f9 Dieu reconna\u00eetra les siens, enfin peut-\u00eatre<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Germany and France are at odds over how strongly Nato should push nuclear disarmament, casting a cloud over an alliance summit tomorrow in Lisbon being billed as the most important since 2002.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>With Berlin and Paris locked in dispute over arms control, nuclear deterrence, and plans to cover Europe with a missile shield against ballistic rocket attack, Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Nicolas Sarkozy are expected to meet on the fringes of the Lisbon meeting to try to hammer out a last-minute formula and rescue the summit from failure.<\/em> []<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Rasmussen was in contact today by telephone with Sarkozy and Merkel, seeking to bridge the differences. Officials in Brussels said the French and German leaders would need to meet privately in Lisbon to find a compromise. Obama could be called on to act as mediator in the dispute.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The row centres on the missile shield which is to be agreed at the summit. In what was seen as an olive branch to Moscow last year, Obama ditched the Bush administration&rsquo;s plans for missile defence, with radars and missile interceptors based in Poland and the Czech Republic.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Instead the summit is to agree on a more modest system, upgrading theatre missile Defence aimed at protecting troops and military installations into a phased adaptive system eventually shielding European populations and territories from, say, Iranian missile attacks. Nato wants Russia to take part in the new system.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>France, however, is highly sceptical of the merits of missile defence, while the Germans see it as a way of lessening reliance on nuclear weapons. The French are also dismissive of Obama&rsquo;s vision of a nuclear-free world, laid out last year in Prague, while the Germans view it enthusiastically as the trigger for a new age of arms reduction and non-proliferation.The wording of the new blueprint describes both the nuclear deterrent and missile defence as core \u00e9l\u00e9ments of Nato defence strategy.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 19 novembre 2010 \u00e0 15H46<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les points divers de d\u00e9saccord au sommet de l&rsquo;OTAN \u00e0 Lisbonne, aujourd&rsquo;hui et demain, ne manquent pas. Vous y d\u00e9compterez la question de la position de la Turquie vis-\u00e0-vis des anti-missiles, et vis-\u00e0-vis de l&rsquo;Ouest en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral ; la question des anti-missiles, justement, avec en toile de fond bariol\u00e9e celle des suspicions russes sur les&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[10361,5952,10363,3992,4314,10360,2631,8311,2662,398,3158,7157,3004,7013,6208,6934,584,3045,2671,2950],"class_list":["post-72478","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-10361","tag-allemands","tag-anti-missiules","tag-armes","tag-bmde","tag-borger","tag-de","tag-denuclearisation","tag-en","tag-europe","tag-francais","tag-lisbonne","tag-nucleaire","tag-nucleaires","tag-obama","tag-option","tag-otan","tag-sommet","tag-us","tag-zero"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/72478","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=72478"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/72478\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=72478"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=72478"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=72478"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}