{"id":72814,"date":"2011-03-04T14:00:18","date_gmt":"2011-03-04T14:00:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/03\/04\/robert-gates-ci-devant-isolationniste\/"},"modified":"2011-03-04T14:00:18","modified_gmt":"2011-03-04T14:00:18","slug":"robert-gates-ci-devant-isolationniste","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/03\/04\/robert-gates-ci-devant-isolationniste\/","title":{"rendered":"Robert Gates, ci-devant isolationniste"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Le 25 f\u00e9vrier, Robert Gates faisait un discours \u00e0 West Point, o\u00f9 sont form\u00e9s les futurs officiers de l&rsquo;U.S. Army. Un paragraphe de son discours a attir\u00e9 grandement l&rsquo;attention.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>But in my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should have his head examined, as General MacArthur so delicately put it.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tPhrase qui fut imm\u00e9diatement interpr\u00e9t\u00e9e pour ce qu&rsquo;elle \u00e9tait dans la bouche m\u00eame de MacArthur : une affirmation d&rsquo;isolationnisme, ou de n\u00e9o-isolationnisme. Le premier moment de surprise pass\u00e9e, c&rsquo;est en effet dans cette voie que se sont orient\u00e9s les commentaires. En deux jours, le site <MI>Antiwar.com, site conservateur de tendance dite pal\u00e9o-conservatrice, r\u00e9solument n\u00e9o-isiolationniste, a mis en ligne trois textes \u00e0 ce propos.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Le <a href=\"http:\/\/original.antiwar.com\/mcgovern\/2011\/03\/02\/how-to-read-gatess-shift-on-the-wars\/\" class=\"gen\">3 mars 2011<\/a>, un texte de Ray McGovern, ancien analyste de la CIA devenu chroniqueur extr\u00eamement critique de la politique ext\u00e9rieure belliciste des USA. McGoverne ne nie pas une seconde qu&rsquo;il s&rsquo;agisse d&rsquo;un changement consid\u00e9rable dans le chef du secr\u00e9taire \u00e0 la d\u00e9fense, par rapport \u00e0 la politique ext\u00e9rieure US, et \u00e0 la politique que lui-m\u00eame conduit. Mais, ayant travaill\u00e9 plusieurs ann\u00e9es avec Gates \u00e0 la CIA et ne le portant pas dans son cur, McGovern soup\u00e7onne dans sa d\u00e9marche des motifs assez bas<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>I&rsquo;ll acknowledge that Gates may have come to his newfound skepticism about these ground wars honestly, sincerely distraught by the continued loss of life as the bloody conflicts grind on with no real end in sight. Yet, I would venture to suggest that  more likely  the timing of Gates&rsquo;s conversion can be pinned on two other factors, a typically windsock reaction to recent polling on Afghanistan and an attempt to burnish his future wise-man reputation:<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>  U.S. public opinion has swung dramatically against the war in Afghanistan, with some polls showing that as many as 86 percent of Democrats and 61 percent of Republicans want a speedier U.S. pullout from the war.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>  Gates has announced he will retire in the coming months. By abandoning his post on the bridge of the sinking pro-war ship now, Gates will let the next secretary of defense take the blame when the U.S. does not prevail in Afghanistan. Gates can point to his echoing of MacArthur&rsquo;s warning.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tAinsi, conclut McGovern, apr\u00e8s avoir d\u00e9crit la carri\u00e8re d&rsquo;un bureaucrate ambitieux et opportuniste, et en ayant \u00e0 l&rsquo;esprit son prochain d\u00e9part du Pentagone, Gates pourra-t-il \u00e9crire dans le deuxi\u00e8me tome de ses m\u00e9moires je vous l&rsquo;avais bien dit \u00ab<em>I can visualize a new chapter in Gates&rsquo;s second memoir, How I Issued MacArthur-Type Warnings All Along.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Patrick J. Buchanan, lui, est plus net et plus pratique, dans son texte du <a href=\"http:\/\/original.antiwar.com\/buchanan\/2011\/03\/03\/robert-gates-neo-isolationist\/\" class=\"gen\">4 mars 2011<\/a> : Gates est devenu n\u00e9o-isolationniste, devant l&rsquo;\u00e9vidence des choses catastrophiques.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>America would be nuts, Gates is saying, to fight a new land war like the two he inherited. It follows that the neo-isolationists who opposed invading Iraq and a long war in Afghanistan were right, in Gates&rsquo; eyes. Quite an admission from a defense secretary who presided over the surge in Iraq and the surge in Afghanistan.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Le m\u00eame <a href=\"http:\/\/original.antiwar.com\/justin\/2011\/03\/03\/hail-bob-gates\/\" class=\"gen\">4 mars 2011<\/a> , Justin Raimondo consacre sa chrtonique \u00e0 cette intervention de Robert Gates, qu&rsquo;il salue avec enthousiasme,  m\u00eame s&rsquo;il s&rsquo;agit d&rsquo;un enthousiasme \u00e0 la mesure de ces temps assez bas. \u00ab<em>Amid the intellectual and moral darkness that is Washington, DC, we take our rays of sunlight where we can find them. And this week, the clouds parted  albeit only momentarily  to let through a couple of illuminating comments from none other than Defense Secretary Robert Gates<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tEncha\u00eenant sur la citation faite plus haut, elle-m\u00eame avec citation de MacArthur, Raimondo notre que Gates se r\u00e9f\u00e8re \u00e0 l&rsquo;Afrique, comme une de ces zones o\u00f9 les USA feraient bien de ne pas s&rsquo;engager. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The reference to Africa  not a frequent or high visibility venue for American centurions, at least since the disaster at Mogadishu  could not have been mere coincidence. And at a congressional hearing the other day, Gates followed up:<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Let&rsquo;s just call a spade a spade. A no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya. That&rsquo;s the way you do a no-fly zone. And then you can fly planes around the country and not worry about our guys being shot down.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Pressed by one disappointed solon, Gates averred: <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tWell, if it&rsquo;s ordered, we can do it. But the reality is, there&rsquo;s a lot of, frankly, loose talk about some of these military options.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tAnectodotique mais nullement inint\u00e9ressante querelle d&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation Relevant l&rsquo;expression <em>loose talk<\/em>, dont on a vu que les Britanniques la prennent <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_crise_libyenne_et_l_extreme_nervosite_de_l_ouest_04_03_2011.html\" class=\"gen\">pour eux<\/a> quasi officiellement, Raimondo pr\u00e9f\u00e8re, lui, la destiner \u00e0 Hillary Clinton, qui a elle aussi parl\u00e9 d&rsquo;une <em>No Fly Zone<\/em> : \u00ab<em>Clinton, in her role as overseer of US foreign policy, has been one of the biggest hawks in an administration that has essentially continued and even escalated America&rsquo;s post-9\/11 rampage, and she is clearly pushing for the US to take some kind of action in Libya. Gates&rsquo;s loose talk reference was an implicit rebuke to her, and to John Kerry: that&rsquo;s the good news<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tReste ce que Gates a dit, et bien dit <em>In illo tempore<\/em>, cette d\u00e9claration, et l&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation qui en est <strong>aussit\u00f4t<\/strong> donn\u00e9e sans attirer le moindre d\u00e9menti ni provoquer la moindre \u00e9motion, auraient provoqu\u00e9 une temp\u00eate \u00e0 Washington. Ce n&rsquo;est pas le cas, comme si, aujourd&rsquo;hui \u00e0 Washington, toutes les orientations pouvaient \u00eatre \u00e9nonc\u00e9es sans soulever de r\u00e9elles protestations ; comme si, aujourd&rsquo;hui \u00e0 Washington, la politique ext\u00e9rieure belliciste et paralys\u00e9e \u00e0 la fois, allait sa propre course sans que les dirigeants aient la moindre prise sur elle. C&rsquo;est dire que nous n&rsquo;attendrions pas vraiment de grandes modifications de politique avec la d\u00e9claration de Gates, ou plut\u00f4t malgr\u00e9 la d\u00e9claration de Gates. Nous ne sommes m\u00eame pas assur\u00e9s que, selon le d\u00e9verloppement du texte de Raimondo, il y ait vraiment une fraction interventionniste dans l&rsquo;administration Obama (Hillary Clinton <em>verus<\/em> Gates, par cons\u00e9quent),  car, en effet, la politique ext\u00e9rieure qui va sa propre course est plut\u00f4t, aujourd&rsquo;hui, sur l&rsquo;aire d&rsquo;une impulsion lanc\u00e9e il y a quelques ann\u00e9es, sans apporter rien de nouveau. Cela ne signifie pas qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;y aurait pas, sous peu, du nouveau, mais qu&rsquo;il est simplement fondamentalement improbable que cela vienne des USA.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tNous pr\u00e9f\u00e9rons d\u00e9cid\u00e9ment en rester \u00e0 l&rsquo;approche que nous d\u00e9veloppons par ailleurs, dans notre <em>F&#038;C<\/em> d\u00e9j\u00e0 mis en ligne ce <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-le_faux-nez_libyen_04_03_2011.html\" class=\"gen\">4 mars 2011<\/a>, de l&rsquo;esp\u00e8ce de formidable incertitude psychologique o\u00f9 se trouvent les directions politiques du bloc BAO (am\u00e9ricaniste-occidentaliste), US dans ce cas, dans la mesure o\u00f9 la crise libyenne n&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;une partie d&rsquo;une cha\u00eene crisique totalement volatile et insaisissable, dont la direction britannique avoue platement qu&rsquo;elle ignore o\u00f9 tout cela nous entra\u00eene (\u00ab<em>there were not lots of people who predicted those events. What happens next is also<\/em> <strong><em>very uncertain<\/em><\/strong>\u00bb). Dans ce cas, le n\u00e9o-idolationnisme de Gates, qui m\u00e9rite fort bien certte \u00e9tiquette, est celui d&rsquo;un dirigeant qui admet effectivement qu&rsquo;il est impossible de savoir o\u00f9 l&rsquo;on va, ce que nous r\u00e9servent ces remous et que, avec des forces arm\u00e9es exsangue et une situation budg\u00e9taire et financi\u00e8re catastrophique, il est pr\u00e9f\u00e9rable de laisser aller apr\u00e8s avoir retir\u00e9 ses billes si c&rsquo;est possible Plus personne ne contr\u00f4le plus rien, plus personne ne comprend plus rien, mais la confuse sensation est n\u00e9e que ces \u00e9v\u00e9nements sont formidables et qu&rsquo;on n&rsquo;a nul moyen de les affronter. Lorsque l\u00e8ve l&rsquo;ouragan, surtout ce <em>perfect storm<\/em>, il vaudrait mieux, conseille le secr\u00e9taire \u00e0 la d\u00e9fense, rentrer au port pour trouver un abri.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMius en ligne le 4 mars 2011 \u00e0 13H52<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le 25 f\u00e9vrier, Robert Gates faisait un discours \u00e0 West Point, o\u00f9 sont form\u00e9s les futurs officiers de l&rsquo;U.S. Army. Un paragraphe de son discours a attir\u00e9 grandement l&rsquo;attention. \u00abBut in my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[3335,1132,10894,3521,4337,2837],"class_list":["post-72814","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-buchanan","tag-mcgovern","tag-neo-isolationniste","tag-point","tag-raimondo","tag-west"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/72814","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=72814"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/72814\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=72814"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=72814"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=72814"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}