\tLe pr\u00e9sident \u00e9gyptien Morsi a donn\u00e9 son grand discours d’inauguration, au Caire, dans le parc Tahrir fameux pour avoir accueilli la grande r\u00e9volution du d\u00e9but 2011. Parmi les nombreuses formules et r\u00e9flexions retenues, la cha\u00eene de TV iranienne et son site PressTV.com<\/em> ont not\u00e9 la promesse d’une \u00c9gypte ind\u00e9pendante des puissances \u00e9trang\u00e8res. Il s’agit bien entendu d’une r\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 lire entre les lignes, mais qui ne semble gu\u00e8re faire de doutes pour nombre d’analyste.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPressTV.com<\/em> a interrog\u00e9 Ivan Eland \u00e0 ce propos, le 30 juin 2012<\/a>. Eland est un interlocuteur int\u00e9ressant : directeur du Centre sur la Paix et la Libert\u00e9 de l’Institut Ind\u00e9pendant, il repr\u00e9sente la branche libertarienne mod\u00e9r\u00e9e \u00e0 Washington, nous dirions, un pied dans l’establishment<\/em>, o\u00f9 il est reconnu comme un expert important des relations internationales, un pied en dehors, \u00e0 cause de ses opinions qui sont non-interventionnistes, pour une politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re restreinte et contenue, assez proche bien s\u00fbr des id\u00e9es du libertarien populiste Ron Paul. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPour introduire l’interview, PressTV.com<\/em> observe, \u00e0 propos de l’intervention de Miorsi et autour d’elle \u00abWe will complete the journey in a civil state, a nationalist state, a constitutional state, a modern state, said Morsi. Vowing to achieve the goals of the Egyptian Revolution, Morsi added that the power of people is above all; that no one can take away the president’s authorities and rights of people’s representatives in the parliament. The newly elected president is, however, already facing a serious challenge after the military rulers who oversee the transition took a series of decisions undermining the powers of the president.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tDans son intervention, Eland affirme d’une part son interpr\u00e9tation que la phrase concernant les interf\u00e9rences des puissances \u00e9trang\u00e8res dans les affaires int\u00e9rieures de l’\u00c9gypte concerne les USA ; d’autre part, que le principal d\u00e9fi auquel aura \u00e0 faire face Morsi est la restriction de ses pouvoirs par les militaires du SCAF, notamment et \u00e9ventuellement dans la conduite d’une politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re ind\u00e9pendante des USA, et qu’il ne pourra r\u00e9soudre ce probl\u00e8me qu’en s’appuyant sur la rue contre le SCAF.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPressTV.com<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abIvan Eland, welcome, we had one guest Waleed al-Hadad Muslim Brotherhood Spokesman saying that Morsi’s power coming from the people not from SCAF but we have Saeb Shaath our guest there from Belfast, he said that Mohammed Morsi needs to unite people behind them for the battle ahead. What is your take on those two observations, which one is true? Elaborate on what powers Mohamed Morsi really is going to end up with?<\/em>\u00bb <\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tIvan Eland<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abWell, I think the interim constitution limits what he can do and that’s a shame because he got elected in a fair election though what is he elected to, they’ve removed all the power from the office.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbSo I think his best shot and I think he’s doing that to some extent is trying to get other groups besides the Muslim Brotherhood to support him against the military and I think that’s the only way he’s going to do it because I think the military fears the people on the streets and if he can bring the people into the streets once again to get his power back that’s what he’ll have to do I think.<\/em>\u00bb <\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tPressTV.com<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abIn reference to the speech by Morsi give us your thoughts when he said an Egypt free from outside powers which countries was that in reference to? Some say the United States. He also said free in its territory and free in its movements and in addition he said we are capable of responding and preventing any assault or aggression against us. Tell us your thoughts on who Morsi may have been referring to there ?<\/em>\u00bb <\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tIvan Eland<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abWell, I think he’s talking about the United States, the United States is allied with the military and provides a lot of military aid and the US has Democratic rhetoric but if you look over the course of history the US has favored stability rather than democracy. So of course they may say that they support the elections result but on the other hand sometimes the US behind the scenes is supporting the military and still giving them billions of dollars in aid. So I think he is talking about the United States there and I think that this is a factor in there. I think the United States actually should have minimal interference in this but that doesn’t mean that that will happen so we’ll see what happens.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbBut clearly the Egyptians had to decide this and I think the military has shown the first time, the first revolution that they did fear the power of the people so I think the new president if he can marshal and get a bunch of groups together and show that he’s got a broad coalition and he’s not going to take it too far down the Islamist road, then he’ll get support and hopefully peacefully he’ll get back some of his power. But there is always the potential when you’re using the street against the military for unforeseen events to break out and carry the revolution in a way that would be more destructive, which we hope will not happen.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbI hope it’s peacefully done and I hope he can get power back from the military, at least some power he may have to compromise with them but his office right now has been denuded of power so I think he’s got to focus on getting as wide a support as he can to use in a moral plan, in getting people on the street and that’s the only thing cause the military has the guns and he has to have society behind him to have leverage over the military.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tCette interview ne nous r\u00e9v\u00e8le pas des v\u00e9rit\u00e9s extraordinaires mais nous montre combien ces v\u00e9rit\u00e9s, par ailleurs extr\u00eamement crues pour le langage politique habituel, deviennent aujourd’hui des concepts accept\u00e9s sans la moindre dissimulation. Il s’agit de l’expos\u00e9 d’une situation qu’on conna\u00eet bien, que nous d\u00e9finissions ainsi (18 juillet 2011<\/a>), \u00e0 l’occasion d’un nouveau soubresaut de la place Tahrir : \u00abAinsi la r\u00e9volution r\u00e9ussie-r\u00e9cup\u00e9r\u00e9e est-elle devenue la r\u00e9volution impossible, puis la r\u00e9volution subreptice, qui revient \u00e0 \u00eatre une r\u00e9volution-simulacre prise dans sa potentialit\u00e9 hypoth\u00e9tique pour du comptant par ceux qui craignent toujours le spectre de la r\u00e9volution r\u00e9ussie. La place Tahrir vaut donc bien, semble-t-il, toutes les r\u00e9volutions r\u00e9ussies du monde<\/em>\u00bb ; cette id\u00e9e, que nous renouvelions encore r\u00e9cemment, le 26 juin 2012<\/a>. (\u00abDans de telles conditions, toutes les difficult\u00e9s probables, et il y en a beaucoup, se r\u00e9gleront par la recherche d’une re-l\u00e9gitimation, qui ne pourrait se faire qu’en s’appuyant sur la rue ou\/et en d\u00e9veloppant une politique tr\u00e8s populaire, essentiellement une politique ext\u00e9rieure qui ne demande aucun sacrifice imm\u00e9diat.<\/em>\u00bb)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tIl est remarquable qu’un expert de la r\u00e9putation de Eland n’h\u00e9site pas \u00e0 dire cr\u00fbment et nettement ce qui est d’habitude laiss\u00e9 aux d\u00e9veloppements des commentateurs ind\u00e9pendants et aux chuchotements des cocktails d’ambassade, \u00e0 savoir que l’essentiel de l’action de Morsi sera de tenir les USA le plus possible \u00e0 distance, et que pour avoir sa libert\u00e9 d’action il doit s’appuyer sur la rue, sur le d\u00e9sordre spontan\u00e9 de la place Tahrir et ce d\u00e9sordre \u00e9tant un d\u00e9sordre qui se contr\u00f4l\u00e9 lui-m\u00eame Cela, puisqu’il s’av\u00e8re que les militaires en ont peur. On nommera donc cette prescription et cette recette l’expression de la volont\u00e9 du peuple, en langage et en situation postmodernistes. Qu’importe si les normes et la comptabilit\u00e9 \u00e9lectorales ne sont pas respect\u00e9es ; nous ne devons pas nous soumettre au r\u00e8gne de la quantit\u00e9<\/em> lorsqu’il s’agit de d\u00e9velopper une action de syst\u00e8me antiSyst\u00e8me, mais plut\u00f4t \u00e0 l’habilet\u00e9 du syst\u00e8me de la communication qui sait mettre spontan\u00e9ment en sc\u00e8ne les fureurs de la place Tahrir…<\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n \tMis en ligne le 30 juin 2012 \u00e0 17H58<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" La rue, pr\u00e9sident-Fr\u00e8re, la rue contre le SCAF et les USA ! Le pr\u00e9sident \u00e9gyptien Morsi a donn\u00e9 son grand discours d’inauguration, au Caire, dans le parc Tahrir fameux pour avoir accueilli la grande r\u00e9volution du d\u00e9but 2011. 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