5 octobre 2012<\/a>, est d’un particulier int\u00e9r\u00eat. Il y a une importante partie qui est consacr\u00e9e \u00e0 la crise syrienne, bien entendu, et l’on constate que l’Irak se trouve sur la m\u00eame ligne que la Russie, peut-\u00eatre plus qu’aucun autre pays de la r\u00e9gion, peut-\u00eatre plus qu’aucun autre pays tout court. Voici les questions et les r\u00e9ponses concernant la crise syrienne, sp\u00e9cifiquement. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tRussia Today<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abWhat do Iraq and Russia have in common in terms of their approach to the Syrian crisis; and do you think the two countries can come up with a joint proposal on how to settle it?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tNouri Al-Maliki<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abOf course, the crisis is a matter of serious concern both for the countries in the region and for the world’s major powers. And it’s not only countries this issue has been on the agenda of many international organizations. We have repeatedly said that we take the Syrian crisis as our own problem. It is a very important country, with its own political position. We did warn everyone earlier and keep reminding that the fire that started in Syria will spill over the borders to engulf other countries of the region and, in the end, it will have a global impact. The Middle East is one of the major energy producers of the world.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbJust like Russia, we believe that the use of force cannot be a solution to the crisis. Many other countries now share this approach, even those that used to think that supplying arms to the opposition would be sufficient to generate regime change. They now recognize that it is impossible to settle the Syrian crisis through the use of force. This is also Russia’s position.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbRussia, Iraq and many other countries are united in their conviction that force will not end the crisis in Syria we need to look for a peaceful solution through political dialogue. It is our joint task I mean Iraq, Russia and the whole international community to help both sides find common ground, to agree on a mutually-acceptable form of government.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbThis new government must be based on the principles of freedom and democracy. The Syrians must have the right to vote, they must have a Constitution. These are the things that the Syrian people demanded when they started the revolution. But of course, not everybody in Syria agrees with these demands, some groups don’t think that reforms are needed. We’ve heard different statements and demands. Of course dialogue will continue, because we are very much concerned about what’s going on in Syria. We have been seriously affected by the situation in Syria. We have experienced some spillover effects of the Syrian crisis here in Iraq.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbWe will discuss this issue with our Russian counterparts; we will talk about possible ways to make existing initiatives effective, including the original peace plan put forward by the Arab League, as opposed to the flawed proposals made during the sessions of the ministerial committee and the Geneva agreements. According to them, there is no military solution to the conflict. The agreements call for an end to arms supplies both to the opposition and the regime. Unfortunately, a number of states ignore these initiatives and continue to send arms to Syria, which only makes the situation worse.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbThis is where Russia, Iraq, China, and many Muslim and Arab countries in the region agree. It is our duty to address this issue and try to find ways out of this turmoil which, we are afraid, might turn into a fully-fledged regional war.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tRussia Today<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abHow would you assess the calls by some countries, especially Arab countries that have the support of the West, for military intervention in order to resolve the crisis in Syria?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tNouri Al-Maliki<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abI’d give them a piece of brotherly advice: Forget it! He who starts a fire will be destroyed by fire in the end. Those who want Syria to follow this path have to understand that it will destroy the Syrian people. This is what’s happening in Syria right now. Cities lie in ruins, the war rages on and is likely to spill over involving new actors international, regional, religious and political ones. If they care about themselves and their people, if they seek stability and security, if they care about Syria and its people, they have to stop sowing the seeds of discord by supplying arms. They also have to stop thinking it will be them who will shape Syria’s future.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbI met with several representatives of the Syrian opposition and I felt they understand the threat that is coming from the Arab forces that provide them with weapons. These forces openly declare that they want to interfere in Syria’s affairs. But the Syrian nation is against it.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tRussia Today<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abDo you share the view that it’s foreign interference in Syria’s affairs that’s made the situation in the country so dangerous?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tNouri Al-Maliki<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abAbsolutely. And they will keep driving it to an even more dangerous degree until eventually it will backfire on the states that are now sponsoring the Syrian opposition. All these states will face upheavals and unrest due to sectarian violence, foreign interference, the spillover effect and expansion. They’re already feeling it. If these countries keep sending arms and using force for a regime change, their stability will be in jeopardy, and the situation inside these countries will be no better than in Syria.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tIl y a d’autres questions dans l’interview, qui concernent l’Irak lui-m\u00eame, sa situation actuelle, sa position dans la r\u00e9gion, ses relations avec ses voisins. Un aspect de ces questions concerne l’armement de l’Irak, des forces irakienne, avec une allusion pr\u00e9cise faite \u00e0 une commande de F-16 US par l’Irak, qui semblerait pour l’instant, selon des sources politiques US et irakiennes, dans un statut incertain quant \u00e0 son ex\u00e9cution et \u00e9voluant d’une fa\u00e7on plut\u00f4t d\u00e9favorable. La question de Russia Today<\/em> fait explicitement allusion \u00e0 des pressions d’autres pays (voisins de l’Irak), voire des Kurdes d’Irak, aupr\u00e8s des USA et contre l’ex\u00e9cution de cette commande. Cette partie de l’interview a un r\u00e9el int\u00e9r\u00eat, dans le sens o\u00f9 elle doit \u00eatre lue d’un point de vue politique, en compl\u00e9ment avec la partie sur la Syrie, et bien entendu avec l’arri\u00e8re-plan des relations de l’Irak avec la Russie qui sous-tend cette interview. Il faut \u00e9videmment noter que, dans la derni\u00e8re question, Al-Maliki confirme officiellement que la Russie est sur la liste des possibles fournisseurs d’armes \u00e0 l’Irak, et \u00e9ventuellement comme un nouveau fournisseur qui s’ajouteraient aux fournitures US et aussi aux fournitures d’armes de pays de l’ancienne URSS. (Dans ces deux derniers cas, USA et pays de l’ancienne URSS, il semble qu’il s’agit en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de syst\u00e8mes de seconde main, tandis que les \u00e9ventuels march\u00e9s russes porteraient sur des armements neufs.) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tRussia Today<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abMr. Maliki, when Iraq was about to buy F-16 fighter jets, Iraqi Kurds, along with some neighboring states, including the Gulf countries voiced their concerns over the future deal. Are these concerns justified? And can they be allayed?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tNouri Al-Maliki<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abThey are totally unsubstantiated. These people might still have old stereotypes of Iraq that go back to the times of dictatorship that were characterized by reckless operations, wars and invasions. Some regimes, both big and small, still have expansionist ambitions. Sadly, they have learned no lessons from Saddam Hussein’s experience. He had it all: troops and offensive capabilities, but the end of his career was a disaster. These people still believe that just like in the past, Iraq is still capable of invading its neighbors, concocting conspiracies, attacking other countries like Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia or slaughtering people in its southern or northern regions.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbBut today Iraq is a different country. It does not wage war on its own people. The Kurds who believe that Iraq is taking up arms to fight them are seriously deluded.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbThese talks are no more than political maneuvering used to make up for the mistakes and failures of the past. These countries are aware that present-day Iraq has nothing in common with the dictatorship of the past. It is a democratic country which is against the use of force, as set forth in the laws adopted by its parliament. Generally speaking, our main principle is non-interference in the affairs of other states. But we would like this to be a two-way street.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbBut the reality is that Iraq is located in an arms-infested region. All the neighboring states have impressive arsenals of modern weapons. Even the smaller states in the region have more weapons than Iraq, a large state with a rich history. Iraq is entitled to self-defense, so it has the right to use different armaments to protect its sovereignty. And so it can have the same weapons as other countries who claim they need the same weapons as Iraq to defend their sovereignty.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\t\u00bbI would like to allay their concerns by saying that Iraq is not interested in offensive weapons, only defensive ones. Indeed, we would like to have very strong defensive weapons to repel any attack on Iraq’s sovereignty. But primitive weapons won’t be enough. What we need is something very strong and absolutely sophisticated to counter any possible aggression. This would make anyone who plans to breach our sovereignty to think twice before attacking Iraq.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tRussia Today<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abMr Prime Minister, as commander-in-chief, when do you expect Iraq’s armed forces to reach combat readiness in terms of the size of personnel and materials?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tNouri Al-Maliki<\/em><\/strong>: \u00abWe already have the number of troops that we need, but we are still working on the list of weapons and hardware. We are receiving weapons supplies from the US, former Soviet nations and possibly from Russia, too, in line with the contracts that we signed earlier. However, we expect to ensure maximum defensive capabilities by 2020, according to the plans we have at the moment. By that time we expect to re-equip the armed forces with powerful weapons to protect Iraq on land and in the air. So currently we would still be able to defend the nation but our capabilities need to be maintained and further improved.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n\tIl n’est gu\u00e8re utile de s’\u00e9tendre sur le constat ironique que l’Irak, conquis par les USA on sait comment, en 2003 puis en 2003-2008, devait \u00eatre un \u00c9tat-satellite des USA dirig\u00e9 par une marionnette du type dont les USA ont le secret, et absolument acquis aux int\u00e9r\u00eats am\u00e9ricanistes. L’Irak est aujourd’hui un \u00c9tat quasiment hostile aux USA, compl\u00e8tement adversaire des USA dans la crise syrienne, et dont l’interview de Maliki confirme qu’il n’est pas loin de l’\u00eatre d’une fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale. L’interview ne laisse aucun doute sur ce fait, qui s’encha\u00eene quasiment sur le pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent comme une cons\u00e9quence logique : l’Irak est bien plus proche de la Russie que des USA, et cette interview de RT a pour cons\u00e9quence, volontaire ou non, de bien le faire comprendre. La crise syrienne, qui a ses caract\u00e8res propres, sert aussi, dans ce cas des relations entre l’Irak et la Russie, de d\u00e9tonateur et de r\u00e9v\u00e9lateur de la proximit\u00e9 nouvelle des relations entre les deux pays, qui se forme selon la logique g\u00e9n\u00e9rale en marche dans la r\u00e9gion. Dans cette perspective, le jeu de l’Irak serait sans aucun doute de s’appuyer sur une telle proximit\u00e9 pour assurer sa position dans la r\u00e9gion, y compris pour \u00e9quilibrer ses relations avec l’Iran dont l’Irak est aujourd’hui tr\u00e8s proche mais dont la puissance naturelle constitue un facteur important qui invite l’Irak \u00e0 rechercher des assurances.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n
\tIl est acquis que les pays qui sont intervenus contre le march\u00e9 de F-16 avec l’Irak sont les pays du Golfe dont la politique est bas\u00e9e sur une crainte parano\u00efaque pour leur s\u00e9curit\u00e9. Ces pays retrouvent vis-\u00e0-vis de l’Irak la m\u00e9fiance active qu’ils entretenaient du temps de Saddam et font pression sur les USA pour contrecarrer son r\u00e9armement. Ces pressions ont leurs effets, tant les USA sont contraints d’accorder toute leur attention aux pays du Golfe, et tant eux-m\u00eames h\u00e9sitent de plus en plus \u00e0 r\u00e9armer un Irak qui leur \u00e9chappe. Pour cette raison, des accords d’armement entre la Russie et l’Irak sont une tr\u00e8s s\u00e9rieuse possibilit\u00e9, et cela concr\u00e9tiserait un rapprochement entre la Russie et l’Irak, faisant rena\u00eetre un rapport qui existait entre Saddam et l’URSS du temps de la guerre froide, et peut-\u00eatre m\u00eame un rapport encore plus serr\u00e9 \u00e0 cause de l’absence des pays du bloc BAO dans l’\u00e9ventail des amis de l’Irak puisque ces pays sont compl\u00e8tement phagocyt\u00e9s dans la politique-Syst\u00e8me (actuellement dans leur hostilit\u00e9 aveugle \u00e0 la Syrie d’Assad) que repousse l’Irak. L’Irak se place, notamment avec l’\u00c9gypte, dans le flux des pays dont la position et la politique g\u00e9n\u00e9rales dans la r\u00e9gion sont en train d’\u00e9voluer fondamentalement, pour briser le carcan que les USA, les pays du bloc BAO et les pays du Golfe ont impos\u00e9 depuis la premi\u00e8re guerre du Golfe (1991).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n
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