{"id":73887,"date":"2014-05-21T07:49:12","date_gmt":"2014-05-21T07:49:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/05\/21\/les-juifs-russes-et-lukraine\/"},"modified":"2014-05-21T07:49:12","modified_gmt":"2014-05-21T07:49:12","slug":"les-juifs-russes-et-lukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/05\/21\/les-juifs-russes-et-lukraine\/","title":{"rendered":"Les Juifs russes et l&rsquo;Ukraine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h4 class=\"breve-de-crise\">Les Juifs russes et l&rsquo;Ukraine<\/h4>\n<p>Nous avons beaucoup parl\u00e9 de l&rsquo;attitude pour le moins ambigu\u00eb d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl dans la crise ukrainienne, par rapport \u00e0 ses accointances traditionnellement pro-US. (Voir notamment le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-un_rabbin_ukrainien_presse_les_juifs_de_quitter_kiev_22_02_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">22 f\u00e9vrier 2014<\/a>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-isra_l_et_l_ukraine_une_ambigu_t_extr_me_12_04_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">12 avril 2014<\/a>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-bho_n_aime_pas_du_tout_la_neutralit_ukrainienne_d_isra_l_14_04_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">14 avril 2014<\/a>.) On apporte ici un \u00e9l\u00e9ment de plus, qui concerne sp\u00e9cifiquement les Juifs russes, notamment les plus repr\u00e9sentatifs de leur communaut\u00e9 que sont certains oligarques qui exercent leur influence dans les m\u00e9dias.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCette r\u00e9flexion vient de <em>Saker<\/em> (le site <em>Vineyard of the Saker<\/em>), dont on conna\u00eet l&rsquo;important apport qu&rsquo;il offre dans la communication pour la crise ukrainienne, avec une tr\u00e8s forte connaissance de la situation russe, historique et actuelle. (Il semble \u00e9vident que <em>Saker<\/em> est un Russe \u00e9migr\u00e9 aux USA, avec les atouts culturels qui vont avec pour la compr\u00e9hension de cette crise, mais aussi des connaissances tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9cises du domaine militaire russe, de la religion orthodoxe, etc.) <em>Saker<\/em> note dans sa <em>Situation Report<\/em> du <a href=\"http:\/\/vineyardsaker.blogspot.be\/2014\/05\/ukraine-sitrep-may-20th-1537-utczulu.html\" class=\"gen\">20 mai 2014<\/a>, qu&rsquo;il existe une tr\u00e8s forte pouss\u00e9e populaire et m\u00e9diatique en Russie pour une intervention de la Russie en faveur des russophones d&rsquo;Ukraine,  ce que Poutine veut \u00e9viter \u00e0 tout prix, \u00e0 juste raison estime <em>Saker<\/em>, qui juge que la strat\u00e9gie du bloc BAO et de Kiev est effectivement de pousser la Russie \u00e0 une intervention. A partir de l\u00e0, <em>Saker<\/em> aborde la question de la position des Juifs russes dans ce d\u00e9bat et insiste particuli\u00e8rement sur leur intense patriotisme russe, alimentant ainsi indirectement l&rsquo;un des aspects des relations sp\u00e9ciales entre la Russie et Isra\u00ebl. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Coming back to the media, another very interesting phenomenon is taking place: high visibility Russian Jews are clearly in the lead of the movement to take action (though not necessarily a military one) against the<\/em> [<em>Kiev&rsquo;s<\/em>] <em>Junta. Very well-known Jewish personalities like Vladimir Soloviev, Alexander Gordon, Roman Ratner (current head of the Alia battalion, an Israeli special forces battalion composed of Russian Jews), Avigdor Eskin and many others. While rabid Jew-haters will dismiss this under the usual list of pretexts having to do with Jewish hypocrisy, playing both sides, etc., I personally believe that this is truly an expression of the loathing that Russian Jews have for Ukrainian neo-Nazis. I would add that it is pretty clear to me that most Russian nationalists also believe in the sincerity of these Jews and welcome them in a struggle against a common enemy. Does that mean that from now on there will be a long and uninterrupted love fest between Russian and Jewish patriots?  Most definitely not. The list of outstanding issues of very strong disagreement and even opposition is huge, but this is an interesting temporary cease-fire if you want, a typically Russian (and Jewish!) way of keeping priorities straight and agreeing to a temporary tactical alliance against a common foe. Furthermore, there are a lot of Russian Jews who have always felt a sincere and strong love for Russia and the Russian people (if only because a lot of them came from mixed marriages) and who welcome the opportunity to not have to chose between both sides and to be both patriotic Jews and patriotic Russians. I know, to some this sill sound extremely naive. But I personally have known many such Russian Jews, in Israel, Europe and Russia, who really did have a double-loyalty, but one which openly<\/em> <strong><em>added<\/em><\/strong> <em>two sincerely loyalties.  Of course, some felt more Jewish than Russian, but others felt more Russian than Jewish. These matters are subtle and complex, not as black and white as some kneejerk Jew-haters would want them to be. As the Russian expressions goes the East is a subtle realm and both Russians and Jews are first and foremost folks of the East, not of the West.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMise en ligne le 21 mai 2014 \u00e0 07H51<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les Juifs russes et l&rsquo;Ukraine Nous avons beaucoup parl\u00e9 de l&rsquo;attitude pour le moins ambigu\u00eb d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl dans la crise ukrainienne, par rapport \u00e0 ses accointances traditionnellement pro-US. (Voir notamment le 22 f\u00e9vrier 2014, le 12 avril 2014, le 14 avril 2014.) On apporte ici un \u00e9l\u00e9ment de plus, qui concerne sp\u00e9cifiquement les Juifs russes, notamment&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[2774,916,2730,12664],"class_list":["post-73887","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breves-de-crise","tag-israel","tag-poutine","tag-russie","tag-saker"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73887","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=73887"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73887\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=73887"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=73887"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=73887"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}