{"id":74052,"date":"2011-09-12T08:17:32","date_gmt":"2011-09-12T08:17:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/09\/12\/conversation-autour-dune-ambassade-devastee-au-caire\/"},"modified":"2011-09-12T08:17:32","modified_gmt":"2011-09-12T08:17:32","slug":"conversation-autour-dune-ambassade-devastee-au-caire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/09\/12\/conversation-autour-dune-ambassade-devastee-au-caire\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation autour d&rsquo;une ambassade d\u00e9vast\u00e9e, au Caire"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Il y a eu de nombreux r\u00e9cits de l&rsquo;attaque de l&rsquo;ambassade isra\u00e9lienne au Caire, et avec eux les sentiments et r\u00e9flexions que cette attaque a fait na\u00eetre. En g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, les \u00e9lites \u00e9gyptiennes, y compris, et m\u00eame surtout, dans l&rsquo;opposition lib\u00e9rale au r\u00e9gime Moubarak ou aux restes du r\u00e9gime Moubarak, forces politiques autour du centre-gauche disons, se sont montr\u00e9es tr\u00e8s critiques de cet incident. Cet aspect-l\u00e0 des r\u00e9actions nous a paru assez int\u00e9ressant pour que nous nous y attachions sp\u00e9cifiquement. Ces r\u00e9actions permettent de mieux saisir la position d&rsquo;une partie importante du monde politique \u00e9gyptien, la plus r\u00e9formiste, la plus proche, peut-\u00eatre pas n\u00e9cessairement du mod\u00e8le du bloc am\u00e9ricaniste-occidentaliste, mais au moins de ce que le bloc BAO s&rsquo;imagine qu&rsquo;il y a de vertueux (proche de lui-m\u00eame, donc) dans le printemps arabe, style-Egypte.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tPour cela, nous avons consult\u00e9 une chronique d&rsquo;un intellectuel \u00e9gyptien, Issandr El Amrani, correspondant en Egypte de diverses et prestigieuses publications (<em>Financial Times<\/em>, <em>The Economist<\/em>, <em>Foreign Policy<\/em>, London <em>Review of Books<\/em>, etc.). Al Amrani a son <em>blog<\/em> sur le site <em>Arabist.net<\/em> et, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.arabist.net\/blog\/2011\/9\/10\/on-the-israeli-embassy-incident.html\" class=\"gen\">10 septembre 2011<\/a>, il a donn\u00e9 quelques-uns de ses sentiments sur l&rsquo;attaque.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t(A noter qu&rsquo;Amrani fait d&rsquo;abord cette remarque int\u00e9ressante sur l&rsquo;une des cause mat\u00e9rielles de l&rsquo;hostilit\u00e9 renouvel\u00e9e contre l&rsquo;ambassade, tenant \u00e0 l&rsquo;obsession de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 des forces acoquin\u00e9es au Syst\u00e8me, qui aboutit \u00e0 des effets inverses : \u00ab<em>The construction of a wall outside the embassy was almost a provocation to people to come and bring it down. The symbolism of a wall was not lost on any one and merely angered people.<\/em>\u00bb Le mur avait \u00e9t\u00e9 construit \u00e0 la suite des premi\u00e8res attaques contre l&rsquo;ambassade, par les Isra\u00e9liens eux-m\u00eames, et aussit\u00f4t devenu le r\u00e9ceptacle favori de graffitis anti-isra\u00e9liens, et comme une incitation \u00e0 l&rsquo;exacerbation anti-isra\u00e9lienne.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tVoici le sentiment plus g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Issandr El Amrani sur l&rsquo;attaque elle-m\u00eame. Ce jugement restitue bien une position assez g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de d\u00e9sapprobation, au Caire, dans tous les milieux dirigeants, et surtout les milieux lib\u00e9raux de gauche, face \u00e0 cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The act of entering the embassy was not just illegal (in terms of domestic and international law), it was mindless and showed a poor sense of strategy and priority. It will hurt the credibility of the protest movement at home and abroad, reinforce fears of a country getting out of control domestically, and distract from the more important issue of Egypt&rsquo;s still uncertain democratic transition. And it will not achieve, beyond the fleeing of most Israeli officials in Egypt for now, much to change the nature of the Egyptian-Israeli relationship. Even with only one senior embassy official remaining, the strategic relations are now taking place chiefly military to military through liaison offices that operate far away from where the embassy is located. This action does nothing to change Egyptian policy, and certainly nothing to help Palestinians, like fully ending the blockade of Gaza would.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>But what&rsquo;s worse about the incident is that it shows how the revolution&rsquo;s positive energy  the desire for better governance, greater democracy and a more dignified foreign policy  is being dissipated.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDans les r\u00e9actions des lecteurs, on trouve un long texte d&rsquo;une journaliste, elle-m\u00eame amie d&rsquo;Amrani, de la m\u00eame tendance que lui-m\u00eame. Il s&rsquo;agit de Yasmine El Rashidi, qui collabore notamment au New York <em>Review of Books<\/em>, et qu&rsquo;on a d\u00e9j\u00e0 cit\u00e9e dans un texte r\u00e9cent (le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-l_egypte_et_sa_question_israelienne__05_09_2011.html\" class=\"gen\">5 septembre 2011<\/a>). Yasmine El Rashidi est int\u00e9ressante parce que, d&rsquo;une part, elle exprime ses sentiments g\u00e9n\u00e9raux de lib\u00e9rale sans doute proche des valeurs occidentalistes et, d&rsquo;autre part, elle donne des d\u00e9tails tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9cis sur l&rsquo;attaque. C&rsquo;est elle, justement, qui d\u00e9ment compl\u00e8tement la version d&rsquo;une attaque <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-bibi-2011_comme_l_idf_face_au_hezbollah_en_2006_12_09_2011.html?admin=1\" class=\"gen\">mont\u00e9e<\/a> par des islamistes, comme celle que donne <em>DEBKAFIles<\/em> (Pour SCAF, lire <em>Supreme Council Armed Forces<\/em>, qui est la junte militaire actuellement en contr\u00f4le des affaires, qu&rsquo;Amrani critique violemment dans son texte pour n&rsquo;avoir pas emp\u00each\u00e9 l&rsquo;attaque contre l&rsquo;ambassade.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>It is shocking that SCAF didn&rsquo;t intervene earlier, but no matter which way they go, they couldn&rsquo;t win on this one. I was there through the afternoon and night, and the only way to disperse those crowds would have been with force. Had SCAF done that earlier in the day, it would have only provoked the protesters further, and probably attracted more shabab. It would have been yet another huge black point against SCAF that would have led to another anti-SCAF demo and critique by MANY (including western observers) that SCAF is using the same harsh security tactics as Mubarak&rsquo;s regime. The protesters have always claimed to be peaceful, and yesterday SCAF said it would support peaceful demonstrations. It was when they realised that embassy papers were flying out of the windows (at which point protesters were also beginning to grab guns and shields from the riot police on alert) that the tear-gas attacks started. Yes we all have problems with SCAF and how it is managing things, but lets be honest: It can&rsquo;t win in the current fragmented landscape we are in. Whichever way it goes there is an angry faction.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The other thing to point out, is that while anti-Israel sentiment is wide-spread, many of those outside the embassy yesterday were young, restless, unemployed young men (I interviewed scores of them). This was thrilling for them, and while I&rsquo;m sure they have inherited resentment towards Israel, they could have been stirred up to protest over anything else. Many of them I spoke to had simply \u00ab\u00a0heard there was stuff going on at the Israeli Embassy\u00a0\u00bb and so rushed to join. It&rsquo;s action, and they love it.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>You don&rsquo;t bring this up but let me since I see this accusation flying around on Twitter: Last night had nothing to do with the Islamists &#8211; or very little. Few of those there were Islamists. Most of them were the youth I mention, the usual gathering of English-speaking Twitterati, and the socialist activists, who are actually the ones who had first called for a march from Tahrir to the embassy.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Big question is, if we are so determined to get rid of SCAF, why aren&rsquo;t we actually organizing ourselves and working to take over this country through elections. We keep pointing the finger at SCAF, but in many ways, where we are is partly our own fault  If we had started to organize and mobilize after the referendum vote (instead of some really stupid demonstrations and marches), we would be in a very different place today. SCAF can&rsquo;t be taking all the blame  we&rsquo;ve played a role too.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tOn sent bien l\u00e0 que nous avons affaire \u00e0 la gauche mod\u00e9r\u00e9e, mais r\u00e9solument moderniste de l&rsquo;opposition d\u00e9mocratique \u00e9gyptienne. La description que nous obtenons par ces commentateurs de la situation a sans aucun doute un go\u00fbt de v\u00e9rit\u00e9, notamment par tout ce qu&rsquo;il nous est dit des \u00e9checs, des manquements, des paralysies et des freinages actuels du printemps arabe en Egypte. Nous sommes bien loin de la d\u00e9mocratie attendue et esp\u00e9r\u00e9e, et ce n&rsquo;est pas seulement la faute du SCAF, ni des Isra\u00e9liens, ni m\u00eame,  malheur et mal\u00e9diction,  des islamistes r\u00e9trogrades La description assez d\u00e9taill\u00e9e et de premi\u00e8re main, par Yasmine El Rashidi, de l&rsquo;attaque de l&rsquo;ambassade est int\u00e9ressante et sonne bien plus vraie, bien plus convaincante, que les sempiternels complots d\u00e9couverts par les sources de <em>DEBKAFiles<\/em>. Effectivement pourquoi pas des adolescents sans emploi, chose courante en Egypte et l\u00e0 en parfaite imitation du bloc BAO, qui se pr\u00e9cipitent <em>where the action is<\/em>, comme dit le langage dynamique de l&rsquo;am\u00e9ricanisme, histoire de s&rsquo;occuper&#8230; D&rsquo;autant, para\u00eet-il, que les susdits jeunes \u00e9taient un peu \u00e9nerv\u00e9s par des querelles d&rsquo;apr\u00e8s un match de football d&rsquo;il y a quelques jours, o\u00f9 leur \u00e9quipe favorite avait \u00e9t\u00e9 injustement priv\u00e9e de sa victoire par un arbitrage sans doute corrompu, soit par les Isra\u00e9liens, soit par les islamistes Comme l&rsquo;\u00e9crit en termes simples et rudes G\u00e9d\u00e9on L\u00e9vy (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.haaretz.com\/print-edition\/news\/israel-is-paying-for-gaza-war-with-turkey-and-egypt-crises-1.383688\" class=\"gen\">11 septembre 2011<\/a>, dans <em>Haaretz<\/em>), \u00ab[i]<em>n the new Egypt the street speaks, and the street had its violent and unequivocal say over the weekend<\/em>\u00bb ; et, somme toute, si la rue parle rudement, elle ne parle pas faussement, comme si elle \u00e9tait conduite par des forces sup\u00e9rieures qui savent vers o\u00f9 il faut aller.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLe printemps arabe n&rsquo;est donc pas tout rose ni m\u00eame tr\u00e8s vert, ni encore d\u00e9mocratique, ni tr\u00e8s bien ordonn\u00e9, \u00a0et il est du devoir humaniste des bonnes \u00e2mes d&rsquo;\u00eatre, conform\u00e9ment aux usages, scandalis\u00e9 et fort critique de ce saccage barbare de vendredi dernier, \u00e0 l&rsquo;ambassade d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl. On n&rsquo;y manquera pas&#8230; Par ailleurs et par cons\u00e9quent, ce printemps arabe est parfaitement ce qu&rsquo;il faut, l\u00e0 o\u00f9 il en est, pour les affaires qui importent vraiment. La d\u00e9mocratie n&rsquo;est pas accomplie et l&rsquo;ordre-Syst\u00e8me n&rsquo;a pour l&rsquo;instant aucun artefact lib\u00e9ral-humaniste o\u00f9 planter ses crocs pour r\u00e9cup\u00e9rer la chose \u00e0 son avantage ; pendant ce temps et sur ces entrefaits, \u00a0et tout ceci avec une rapidit\u00e9 \u00e0 ne pas croire,  la clique Netanyahou nous d\u00e9couvre son vrai visage, les g\u00e9n\u00e9raux et mar\u00e9chaux froussards du SCAF suivent la rue au pas cadenc\u00e9 de militaires respectueux, la cha\u00eene d&rsquo;influence du bloc BAO continue \u00e0 se dissoudre selon la m\u00eame pouss\u00e9e d\u00e9structurante puis dissolvante que lui-m\u00eame a initi\u00e9e le 11 septembre 2001, et qui se retourne contre lui En deux mots, bon anniversaire,  celui-l\u00e0 qui aurait d\u00fb se comm\u00e9morer devant l&rsquo;ambassade d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl au Caire, bien plus qu&rsquo;\u00e0 <em>Ground Zero<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en liogne le 12 septembre 2011 \u00e0 08H18<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Il y a eu de nombreux r\u00e9cits de l&rsquo;attaque de l&rsquo;ambassade isra\u00e9lienne au Caire, et avec eux les sentiments et r\u00e9flexions que cette attaque a fait na\u00eetre. En g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, les \u00e9lites \u00e9gyptiennes, y compris, et m\u00eame surtout, dans l&rsquo;opposition lib\u00e9rale au r\u00e9gime Moubarak ou aux restes du r\u00e9gime Moubarak, forces politiques autour du centre-gauche disons,&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[6489,11484,6911,2825,9550,6733,5788,2774,11483,3178,11465,11485,11464],"class_list":["post-74052","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-ambassade","tag-amrani","tag-arabe","tag-democratie","tag-egypte","tag-el","tag-islamistes","tag-israel","tag-issandr","tag-printemps","tag-rashidi","tag-scaf","tag-yasmine"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/74052","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=74052"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/74052\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=74052"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=74052"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=74052"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}