{"id":74169,"date":"2011-10-22T06:49:55","date_gmt":"2011-10-22T06:49:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/22\/notre-superiorite-sur-rome-cest-que-nous-sommes-nos-propres-barbares\/"},"modified":"2011-10-22T06:49:55","modified_gmt":"2011-10-22T06:49:55","slug":"notre-superiorite-sur-rome-cest-que-nous-sommes-nos-propres-barbares","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/22\/notre-superiorite-sur-rome-cest-que-nous-sommes-nos-propres-barbares\/","title":{"rendered":"Notre sup\u00e9riorit\u00e9 sur Rome, c&rsquo;est que nous sommes nos propres barbares"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>La chute de l&#8217;empire romain, grand myst\u00e8re qui fit grand bruit et qui passionne nos \u00e9rudits-Syst\u00e8me, fut achev\u00e9e plus que caus\u00e9e, dit-on, par les barbares. Quoi qu&rsquo;il en soit, il reste dans notre version de la chute de cet empire que des barbares ext\u00e9rieurs y contribu\u00e8rent symboliquement, sinon notablement. L&rsquo;avantage que nous avons sur l&#8217;empire romain, pour ce qui est de notre chute qui a toutes les caract\u00e9ristiques de la grande Chute que nous attendons d\u00e9sormais avec la plus grande impatience, c&rsquo;est que les barbares, pour notre cause, sont en nous-m\u00eames. Nous sommes donc nos propres barbares, et nous m\u00e8nerons \u00e0 bien cette entreprise de notre Chute, tr\u00e8s vite, sans h\u00e9siter plus avant, dans ce grand \u00e9lan d&rsquo;autodestruction qui nous caract\u00e9rise. Jean-Fran\u00e7ois Mattei, avec sa <em>Barbarie int\u00e9rieure<\/em> (PUF, 2001) qui caract\u00e9rise la modernit\u00e9, avait bien entendu raison, sans qu&rsquo;il ait pr\u00e9vu n\u00e9cessairement que tout cela serait \u00e9clabouss\u00e9 de sang, et montr\u00e9 au monde gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 la technologie avanc\u00e9e de nos vid\u00e9os et de notre syst\u00e8me de communication, ce <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-dialogues-13_de_la_sublimite_du_systeme_de_la_communication_08_11_2010.html\" class=\"gen\">Janus<\/a><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tL&rsquo;excentrique colonel Kadhafi nous aura laiss\u00e9 cet ultime cadeau de nous d\u00e9montrer effectivement cette \u00e9trange et double personnalit\u00e9 d&rsquo;\u00eatre nous-m\u00eames et l&rsquo;ex\u00e9cuteur de nous-m\u00eames. Le massacre-lynchage du colonel Kadhafi, r\u00e9percut\u00e9 aux quatre coins du monde, installe symboliquement, comme ultime condition de cet acte de justice que repr\u00e9sente la chute de la contre-civilisation am\u00e9ricaniste-occidentaliste, que nous sommes sans discussion possible la barbarie du monde, et que la modernit\u00e9 est l&rsquo;arch\u00e9type de l&rsquo;ach\u00e8vement de la barbarie. Effectivement les conditions de ce massacre-lynchage sont en train de faire grand bruit, et il n&rsquo;est pas assur\u00e9 que tel ou tel ministre se f\u00e9licitera d&rsquo;avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 pris en flagrant d\u00e9lit de cynisme, d&rsquo;ignorance, d&rsquo;aveuglement et de simple b\u00eatise non concert\u00e9e. (On pense au gloussement de jeune fille attard\u00e9e et excit\u00e9e d&rsquo;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-_we_came_we_saw_he_died_mais_assez_c_est_assez__21_10_2011.html\" class=\"gen\">Hillary Clinton<\/a> aussi bien qu&rsquo;\u00e0 la premi\u00e8re r\u00e9action du ministre britannique des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-l_ombre_de_kadhafi_21_10_2011.html\" class=\"gen\">Hague<\/a>,  entre autres gracieuset\u00e9s.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tBien entendu et cela va sans dire, et encore bien mieux en le disant, il est \u00e9vident que le bloc BAO porte absolument <strong>l&rsquo;enti\u00e8re responsabilit\u00e9<\/strong> intellectuelle, op\u00e9rationnelle et morale de tous les \u00e9v\u00e9nements qui sont survenus jeudi, et de tout le reste en Libye, \u00e0 cause de l&rsquo;aide, du soutien et des machinations de ce m\u00eame bloc dans la manufacture et la conduite de cette \u00e9trange et sinistre aventure. Toutes les directions politiques du bloc BAO r\u00e9unies \u00e0 cette occasion dans l&rsquo;OTAN, de Sarko \u00e0 Obama, et l&rsquo;OTAN elle-m\u00eame cela va de soi, ont aujourd&rsquo;hui, symboliquement autant qu&rsquo;en v\u00e9rit\u00e9, les mains tach\u00e9es, ou l&rsquo;on dirait noy\u00e9es, de sang. Ainsi en est-il de leur destin, et cela comme la sanction publique et g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de la politique d&rsquo;agression suivie par ce bloc dans la plus compl\u00e8te impunit\u00e9. Le sel et l&rsquo;ironie de la situation est que le barbare qui est en nous serait bien sur le point, ayant \u00e9t\u00e9 pris la main sanglante dans le sac, de se trouver pris dans le simulacre de justice internationale qu&rsquo;il a \u00e9tabli pour constituer ce faux masque d&rsquo;humanisme de notre contre-civilisation.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Parmi d&rsquo;autres, le <em>Daily Telegraph<\/em> confirme, ce <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/worldnews\/africaandindianocean\/libya\/8841812\/Rebels-accused-of-executing-former-Libyan-leader-and-son-Mutassim.html\" class=\"gen\">21 octobre 2011<\/a>, que la mort de Kadhafi devrait \u00eatre l&rsquo;objet d&rsquo;une enqu\u00eate qui pourrait mener \u00e0 des inculpations pour crimes de guerre.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Rupert Colville, spokesman for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said: It is unclear how (Col Gaddafi) died. There is a need for an investigation. Describing footage of Gaddafi&rsquo;s last moments as very disturbing, he said that if the former dictator had been executed: That would raise issues that a crime had been committed and we would have to look at dealing with that. It is very clear under international law that summary executions are illegal. You can&rsquo;t just chuck the law out of the window. Killing someone outside a judicial procedure, even in countries where there is the death penalty, is outside the rule of law. It raised the possibility that rebel soldiers could be pursued for war crimes.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Amnesty International, meanwhile, called for \u00ab\u00a0a full, independent and impartial inquiry\u00a0\u00bb into the circumstances of Gaddafi&rsquo;s death. Gaddafi&rsquo;s wife, Safia, also called on the UN to investigate the death of her husband and her son, according to a Syrian TV station.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Les conditions de la mort de Kadhafi constituent un cas que les Russes semblent ne pas vouloir laisser passer pour faire payer au bloc BAO la fa\u00e7on dont ce bloc a interpr\u00e9t\u00e9, falsifi\u00e9 et manipul\u00e9 une r\u00e9solution des Nations-Unies qu&rsquo;eux-m\u00eames (les Russes) ont soutenue. Le ministre des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res Lavrov a r\u00e9pondu \u00e0 des questions de <em>Russia Today<\/em>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/politics\/lavrov-interview-russia-libya-us-439\/\" class=\"gen\">21 octobre 2011<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Lavrov said Gaddafi had lost his legitimacy long ago, but his death on Thursday evokes some serious questions. It is no accident that the Office of UN High Commissioner on Human Rights stated today that all circumstances of his (Gaddafi&rsquo;s) death must be investigated and I fully agree that such an investigation will be conducted, Lavrov said in a live interview broadcast by Echo Moskvy, the Voice of Russia, and Radio Russia radio stations.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Lavrov stressed that in compliance with international law, the moment that a party to an armed conflict is captured special procedures should be applied to him or her, including assistance, as well as a ban on killing such a person. The Russian Foreign Minister said that it appeared from video footage that the former Libyan leader was killed only after his capture. The footage that we saw on TV indicates that he [Gaddafi] was really captured when he was injured and that later, already in captivity his life was taken away from him, he said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Lavrov also said that NATO&rsquo;s aerial attack on Gaddafi&rsquo;s convoy as it was attempting to leave Sirte did not conform to the letter of the UN mandate to guarantee a no-fly zone above Libya set by UN Security Council r\u00e9solution 1973. In the Foreign Minister&rsquo;s opinion, the attack on Gaddafi&rsquo;s convoy was directly at odds with the agreed task of guaranteeing a no-fly zone, especially as in this specific case one cannot speak of protecting the lives of civilians either because the convoy did not attack anyone.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Meanwhile, there  would have been far less bloodshed in Libya if  Western countries had accepted an African Union initiative for settling the Libyan crisis, Lavrov has argued. \u00ab\u00a0Unfortunately, the initiative of the African Union for  organizing negotiations between [the regime of Muammar Gaddafi and the opposition] was not supported, primarily by Western countries, which had by  then apparently embarked on a course of defeating the Gaddafi regime by armed force,\u00a0\u00bb Lavrov said.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Les consid\u00e9rations autant que les conditions de la mort de Kadhafi sont expos\u00e9es \u00e9videmment dans de tr\u00e8s nombreux compte-rendus. On peut consulter celui de Reuters, relay\u00e9 par <em>RAW Story<\/em>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rawstory.com\/rs\/2011\/10\/21\/gaddafi-in-meat-locker-still-divides-libya\/\" class=\"gen\">21 octobre 2011<\/a>. On s&rsquo;arr\u00eatera \u00e0 celui de <em>Russia Today<\/em>, le <a href=\"http:\/\/rt.com\/news\/gaddafi-execution-images-broadcast-375\/\" class=\"gen\">21 octobre 2011<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>The death of the former Libyan strongman was hailed by the British prime minister. Earlier in September, David Cameron pledged that Britain would help hunt down the Libyan leader. People in Britain salute your courage and while we are proud of the role we played to help, we know this was your revolution from your bravery. You showed the world you would get of a dictator and you would choose freedom, he said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The declaration comes as a far cry from Cameron&rsquo;s insistence back in March that Gaddafi be put on trial at the International Criminal Court.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>NTC fighters were even dissuaded from their shoot-to-kill policy  agreeing in August they would take him alive. I don&rsquo;t think he would have got a particularly fair trial in any case, argues Chris Nineham from the Stop the War Coalition. But nevertheless what has basically been a summary execution has been a very barbaric end to what, I believe, has been a very barbaric operation from the start As I say, this NATO operation was never supposed to be about regime change, but that&rsquo;s really what was has been the outcome of it.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The back-slapping has been fuelled by the gruesome footage of Gaddafi&rsquo;s body splashed across headlines on Thursday. The video showed Gaddafi was still alive when he was captured, but clearly that did not last long. Some suggest this was an execution and question why this is being applauded.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Gaddafi was assassinated after he was caught wounded. This is a very heinous crime against a wounded man and the Arab public will see it as such, political analyst professor Ibrahim Alloush is convinced. I&rsquo;ve talked to people who disliked Gaddafi and who disliked the way he was killed. They think this tells you something about the morality of the so-called revolutionaries.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Un aspect particulier de cette affaire est mis en \u00e9vidence dans le m\u00eame texte de <em>Russia Today<\/em>. Il concerne le fait de la diffusion massive des films et images de l&rsquo;ex\u00e9cution-lynchage de Kadhafi, dont l&rsquo;effet psychologique et va \u00eatre consid\u00e9rable, bien entendu au d\u00e9savantage du montage humanitaire r\u00e9alis\u00e9 par le bloc BAO depuis l&rsquo;origine. Le contraste est trac\u00e9 avec le <em>black out<\/em> entourant la mort de ben Laden. Un argument est avanc\u00e9, de type extr\u00eamement capitaliste et qui nous confirme dans nos contradictions mortelles et notre processus d&rsquo;autodestruction : la concurrence entre les m\u00e9dias. (Cela, en plus de sa fonction de Janus du syst\u00e8me de la communication, qui a constitu\u00e9 l&rsquo;outil formidable de cette diffusion massive ; ce syst\u00e8me de la communication r\u00e9pondant lui-m\u00eame aux r\u00e8gles, \u00e9videmment toujours autodestructrices, de la concurrence capitaliste.) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>This is a view shared by many on Twitter. There are several posts already concerned about the coverage, questioning the necessity of such graphic images. And why Gaddifi&rsquo;s death  dictator or not  has been reported with so much jubilation.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>One tweet, by @matthewburgess1, has labeled the images horrific and suggests any other figure would not have such graphic images displayed. Another suggests media outlets are having a competition.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Sally Bercow, a prominent activist in the UK says she sees why the same was not done for Osama Bin Laden. Back then, President Obama refused to release the images of Bin Laden&rsquo;s mangled body, saying it could incite more violence or be used as propaganda. But for the Gaddafi, the vultures were too quick.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t Le site <em>DEBKAFiles<\/em> donne, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debka.com\/article\/21400\/\" class=\"gen\">21 octobre 2011<\/a>, des indications sur les conditions pr\u00e9c\u00e9dant la mort de Kadhafi, notamment en affirmant et d\u00e9taillant une intervention d&rsquo;une unit\u00e9 sp\u00e9ciale d&rsquo;un pays de l&rsquo;OTAN (nationalit\u00e9 non pr\u00e9cis\u00e9e). La description est \u00e0 la fois int\u00e9ressante et \u00e9difiante. Le site confronte ses propres informations avec celles qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 donn\u00e9es par l&rsquo;OTAN, observant que l&rsquo;OTAN cherche \u00e0 \u00e9viter toute responsabilit\u00e9 dans l&rsquo;attaque contre Kadhafi lui-m\u00eame. (L&rsquo;OTAN affirme ne pas avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 au courant de la pr\u00e9sence de Kadhafi dans le convoi lorsque celui-ci fut attaqu\u00e9 par des avions d&rsquo;un pays de l&rsquo;Alliance, au nom de l&rsquo;Alliance ; ce qui permet de comprendre presque \u00e9videmment que l&rsquo;Alliance a toujours interpr\u00e9t\u00e9 le mandat de l&rsquo;ONU, d&rsquo;une fa\u00e7on faussaire et trompeuse, comme un mandat pour participer aux op\u00e9rations offensives aux c\u00f4t\u00e9s des rebelles.) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>DEBKAfile&rsquo;s military sources report mounting indications that a NATO special forces unit  although of which nation is unknown  located and captured Muammar Qaddafi in the Sirte area.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>They aparently shot him in both legs to prevent his escape and informed a Misrata militia of his whereabouts, knowing they would kill him in view of the town&rsquo;s long reckoning with the former Libyan ruler. NATO was guided by two considerations: First not to comprise the presence of ground troops in the battle zone in breach of the alliance&rsquo;s UN mandate; and second, to give the Libyan rebels a psychological victory  especially after they failed in battle to capture Qaddafi&rsquo;s home town of Sirte.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>It was also important for his death to be laid at the door of his own people, not NATO. Western alliance leaders figured that as long as Qaddafi was alive and at liberty, the interim government had no chance of establishing its legitimacy and a stable administration and calling an end to the war. His death enables NATO to draw a line on its Libyan venture  but not the war.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Later Friday, NATO issued a statement saying it was not aware Qaddafi was in a convoy heading out of Sirte when it was targeted by alliance warplanes Thursday morning. Note was taken of 75 vehicles leaving the city at high speed and 11 were attacked, destroying one of them. After that, 20 vehicles broke away form the convoy and kept moving south, continuing to pose a significant threat, said the Brussels statement. A second air strike damaged or destroyed 10 of the vehicles. Only later, did NATO discover that Qaddafi was in the convoy and the strike likely contributed to his capture. DEBKAfile notes that this statement absolves the Western alliance of responsibility for killing Qaddafi.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 22 octobre 2011 \u00e0 06H47<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La chute de l&#8217;empire romain, grand myst\u00e8re qui fit grand bruit et qui passionne nos \u00e9rudits-Syst\u00e8me, fut achev\u00e9e plus que caus\u00e9e, dit-on, par les barbares. Quoi qu&rsquo;il en soit, il reste dans notre version de la chute de cet empire que des barbares ext\u00e9rieurs y contribu\u00e8rent symboliquement, sinon notablement. 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