{"id":74180,"date":"2011-10-26T05:21:38","date_gmt":"2011-10-26T05:21:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/26\/naissance-et-absence-de-surprises-de-occupy-wall-street\/"},"modified":"2011-10-26T05:21:38","modified_gmt":"2011-10-26T05:21:38","slug":"naissance-et-absence-de-surprises-de-occupy-wall-street","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/26\/naissance-et-absence-de-surprises-de-occupy-wall-street\/","title":{"rendered":"Naissance et absence de surprises de Occupy Wall Street<\/em>"},"content":{"rendered":"

RAW Story<\/em> a publi\u00e9 l’interview, r\u00e9alis\u00e9 par Business Insider<\/em>, de Phil Arnone, un \u00e9tudiant de l’universit\u00e9 de New York pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 comme l’un des animateurs-fondateurs de Occupy Wall Street<\/em>. (L’expression employ\u00e9e pour caract\u00e9riser Arnone est one of the leading forces behind Occupy Wall Street<\/em>. Tout cela reste notablement flou, l’organisation OWS n’en \u00e9tant pas une \u00e0 strictement parler, n’ayant pas de hi\u00e9rarchie ni de direction formelle, etc.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tLes extraits ci-dessous permettent de distinguer divers caract\u00e8res qu’on devine dans ce mouvement, qui en fait un \u00e9v\u00e9nement si singulier. Il y a les conditions tr\u00e8s rudimentaires du lancement de l’op\u00e9ration, l’absence de planification s\u00e9rieuse, la surprise des organisateurs et des participants de voir leur mouvement se r\u00e9aliser, d\u00e9passer le simple objectif initial d’une manifestation symbolique, prendre une ampleur compl\u00e8tement inattendue, jusqu’\u00e0 devenir ce ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne national, voire mondial, qu’on observe aujourd’hui. Les r\u00e9f\u00e9rences au printemps arabe et \u00e0 l’Egypte sont \u00e9galement sans surprise par rapport \u00e0 tout ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 dit et observ\u00e9 jusqu’ici. Les buts du mouvement sont extr\u00eamement vagues, et se contentent de d\u00e9noncer, pour les raisons qu’on conna\u00eet, la situation actuelle de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9, ou du Syst\u00e8me si l’on veut. L’apolitisme du mouvement est proclam\u00e9, avec notamment le refus de se rapprocher de l’un ou l’autre parti, y compris, pour le moment, pour 2012 et les pr\u00e9sidentielles, mais sans refuser des concours d’hommes politiques. \u00abI don’t think we would turn away anyone who has political aspirations and really want to work for the 99%, but at the moment we have no plans to run candidates in the 2012 elections or anything like that.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tL’impression g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de cette interview rencontre compl\u00e8tement l’impression qu’on s’est jusqu’ici form\u00e9e du mouvement Une initiative \u00e0 la limite de l’amateurisme, informe dans le sens d’absence de structure, sans perspectives pr\u00e9cises, d’id\u00e9es fortes tant dans un programme par ailleurs inexistant que dans l’action elle-m\u00eame, etc. On peut sans aucun doute gloser sur ces d\u00e9clarations, et y voir soit une dissimulation, soit une grande na\u00efvet\u00e9 derri\u00e8re une manipulation, ou d’autres consid\u00e9rations de cette sorte. (On conna\u00eet quelques \u00e9l\u00e9ments<\/a> de cette sorte de jugement.) Ce n’est pas notre conviction. Occupy Wall Street<\/em> nous para\u00eet vraiment \u00eatre tel qu’il appara\u00eet : quelque chose de tout \u00e0 fait inattendu, improvis\u00e9 pour l’essentiel, n’ayant rien vu venir de ce qu’il a d\u00e9clench\u00e9, sans r\u00e9elle conscience \u00e0 l’origine ni de ses potentialit\u00e9s, ni de ses perspectives. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t(Concernant la revue Adbusters<\/em>, qui est mentionn\u00e9e dans l’interview et qui est connue depuis longtemps comme un des moteurs initiaux du mouvement, on sait que sa pr\u00e9sence dans le processus a nourri les soup\u00e7ons d’une manipulation de George Soros de ce mouvement. Soros a r\u00e9agi publiquement, en faisant donner tous les d\u00e9tails de son intervention aupr\u00e8s d’Adbusters<\/em>, \u00e0 partir d’une fondation charitable qui distribue les donations de fortunes individuelles, la fondation Tides. Les documents et rapports de Tides indiquent que Adbusters<\/em> a re\u00e7u $185.000 de 2001 \u00e0 2010 [derniers chiffres disponibles.] [Voir l’intervention du porte-parole de Soros le 13 octobre 2011<\/a>.]) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tExtraits de l’interview de Phil Arnone, mis en ligne le 24 octobre 2011<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00abThe original proposal was put forward by Adbusters which is a magazine headquartered in Vancouver. It comes out of the anti-consumerist movement from the ’90s culture jamming they call it but they’ve had no real activity when it comes to actual organization. So what happened was mostly folks from the traditional activists or organizing community people who you would tend to see involved in various progressive causes over their lives and mostly young folks attended the first general assembly which started in July and happened periodically over the summereventually leading up to the initial rally on September 17.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbA few people got arrested that day and it wasn’t really until we had the chance for the occupation to develop a little bit more and really make its presence felt. The fact that the protest didn’t just occur on one day and one day only it’s every day, all day, every single day of the week, and it’s going on indefinitely is giving people the chance to actually take notice of it, whereas if it happens on one day, by the time you learn about it, the moment to get involved has already passed. So I think that that tactical change that we have to make this protest be indefinite and 5n the present and that’s what’s really enabled us to grow fundamentally since then.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t[]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbWe were all very inspired by the Arab Spring. I think also a lot of us have been disappointed by what’s happened with the Obama Administration. I know I can speak for myself that I was really hopeful that we would have some change. I knew it wouldn’t be perfect, that not every dream we’d have would be answered, but that we wouldn’t really be seeing the man who promised to close Guantanamo, keep it opened indefinitely, extend wars, give tax cuts to the rich, you know, do all these things you’d expect Bush to do.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbI feel like I’m not really alone and that’s one of the things that we’re finding out is that there are really a lot of people who are feeling this way about the situation our country is in, and saw some incredible changes that happened in countries we never thought, and we’ve always been told, could never have these incredible changes happen. And the fact that it happened nonviolently in Tunisia and Egypt Libya was clearly an extreme case. And we’re definitely not facing what the people in Libya, or the people in Syria or the people in Yemen are facing. I wouldn’t even compare us to the repression in Egypt, but having seen people nonviolently challenge their government; and even though the changes are ongoing and not perfect, the fact that people are trying and taking an active role is really inspiring to all of us.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t[]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbThe best moment one night while we waited for our eviction that never came was listening to people take turns reading letters of support that folks had sent us. It really reminded us as to why we stood in the rain and got soaking wet for hours that night; that there are people all over this country who needs us to stand up for them. None of the people from the beginning thought it would get this big. We didn’t even think we’d make it to the first Tuesday. And when we made it to the second Saturday, I was in shock that we had survived that long. And when I heard that 54% of Americans support us or at least think of our movement favorably, that also shocked me and that really gives us hope.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tA la lumi\u00e8re de cette interview venant confirmer \u00e9norm\u00e9ment d’informations dans le m\u00eame sens, le mouvement Occupy Wall, Street<\/em> s’av\u00e8re surtout exceptionnel par ce qu’il n’est pas en lui-m\u00eame, mais par le moment de son intervention sur la sc\u00e8ne publique aux USA. L’exceptionnalit\u00e9 de OWS est quasiment d’un ordre n\u00e9gatif (l’utilisation des moyens technologiques et du syst\u00e8me de la communication qui le caract\u00e9rise n’est plus en soi un aspect exceptionnel, il s’agit maintenant de techniques bien rod\u00e9es dans les r\u00e9seaux sociaux) ; son action est bien de cet ordre de l’inaction agressive<\/a> que nous avons cat\u00e9goris\u00e9e comme un \u00e9quivalent, pour l’action, de l’attitude d’inconnaissance, ou d’activisme d\u00e9sengag\u00e9. Nous privil\u00e9gions plus que jamais, \u00e0 cette lumi\u00e8re, l’explication d’une rencontre entre cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement de peu d’importance, avec d’autres \u00e9v\u00e9nements de la m\u00eame sorte, le tout rencontrant finalement un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne collectif du m\u00fbrissement des psychologies pour trouver un moyen d’expression d’un \u00e9tat d’esprit de r\u00e9volte g\u00e9n\u00e9rale.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tS’il peut y avoir \u00e9videmment des interpr\u00e9tations de complot ou de manipulation, ces interpr\u00e9tations nous semblent porter essentiellement sur les cons\u00e9quences de l’\u00e9volution d’OWS, dont on voit qu’elles ne sont pas le fuit d’une volont\u00e9 et d’une planification d\u00e9lib\u00e9r\u00e9es du mouvement. Cela nous conduit \u00e0 d’autant plus \u00e9carter cette sorte d’explication, par le simple fait de la chronologie et de l’\u00e9vidence des \u00e9v\u00e9nements. La conclusion est donc bien que Occupy Wall Street<\/em> a bien cet aspect de spontan\u00e9it\u00e9 qui est moins le constat d’une vertu en soi de ce mouvement, que du constat que de la rencontre entre un mouvement de ce caract\u00e8re et un courant tr\u00e8s puissant de psychologie collective qui lui a donn\u00e9 toute sa puissance.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\tMis en ligne le 26 octobre 2011 \u00e0 05H22<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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