{"id":75190,"date":"2013-09-04T09:35:11","date_gmt":"2013-09-04T09:35:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2013\/09\/04\/bresil-nsa-g20-et-le-reste-rousseff-peut-aller-loin\/"},"modified":"2013-09-04T09:35:11","modified_gmt":"2013-09-04T09:35:11","slug":"bresil-nsa-g20-et-le-reste-rousseff-peut-aller-loin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2013\/09\/04\/bresil-nsa-g20-et-le-reste-rousseff-peut-aller-loin\/","title":{"rendered":"Br\u00e9sil, NSA, G20 et le reste : Rousseff peut aller loin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h2 class=\"common-article2\">Br\u00e9sil, NSA, G20 et le reste : Rousseff peut aller loin<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tIl semble que l&rsquo;affaire Br\u00e9sil-NSA-Rousseff, d\u00e9voil\u00e9e ce week-end (voir le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-du_br_sil_au_g20_et_la_syrie_en_passant_par_la_nsa_03_09_2013.html\" class=\"gen\">3 septembre 2013<\/a>), pourrait prendre des proportions importantes, voire consid\u00e9rables. (Le Mexique, \u00e9galement concern\u00e9 avec son pr\u00e9sident suivi par la NSA d\u00e8s avant qu&rsquo;il soit pr\u00e9sident, est notablement en arri\u00e8re de la position br\u00e9silienne. La proximit\u00e9 ders USA et les liens \u00e9troits entre les \u00e9lites-Syst\u00e8me des deux pays font qu&rsquo;on avale \u00e0 Mexico nombre de couleuvres sans trop de br\u00fblures \u00e0 l&rsquo;estomac.) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLes indications venant de la presse ou de diverses sources montrent que plusieurs possibilit\u00e9s de riposte de la pr\u00e9sidente Rousseff sont envisag\u00e9es. Il y a la probabilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;un rappel de l&rsquo;ambassadeur du Br\u00e9sil aux USA, il y a la probabilit\u00e9 de mesures concr\u00e8tes de diverses dispositions l\u00e9gislatives contre les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s US (Google, Yahoo, etc.) collaborant avec la NSA, avec des mesures s\u00e9v\u00e8res de s\u00e9curisation des r\u00e9seaux br\u00e9siliens ; enfin, il y a l&rsquo;\u00e9vocation de l&rsquo;option nucl\u00e9aire du point de vue diplomatique : l&rsquo;annulation de la visite d&rsquo;\u00c9tat de Rousseff \u00e0 Washington en octobre, sur laquelle les USA comptent tant pour tenter de rapprocher le Br\u00e9sil de leur orbite d&rsquo;influence. D&rsquo;autre part, ce que nous \u00e9voquions hier sera tr\u00e8s certainement au menu du G20. Rousseff y viendra  furieuse et \u00e9voquera au cours de la r\u00e9union cette affaire, \u00e0 la fois avec le pr\u00e9sident Obama et \u00e0 la fois, semble-t-il, au niveau de la r\u00e9union g\u00e9n\u00e9rale elle-m\u00eame. Cela conduira \u00e9videmment le Br\u00e9sil \u00e0 durcir sa position sur la Syrie, c&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire contre les projets US d&rsquo;attaque.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tComme d&rsquo;habitude, on observe que la maladresse proverbiale US est \u00e0 l&rsquo;uvre. En commentaire indirect de cette affaire, certains observent que la visite de Kerry pour tenter de d\u00e9samorcer la bombe NSA (voir le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-coup_au_but_de_la_nsa_au_br_sil_le_f-18_us_13_08_2013.html\" class=\"gen\">13 ao\u00fbt 2013<\/a>) a donn\u00e9 de mauvais r\u00e9sultat, Kerry semblant s&rsquo;\u00eatre montr\u00e9 mauvais comme un cochon dans cette sorte d&rsquo;exercice. Enfin, cerise sur le g\u00e2teau : alors qu&rsquo;on \u00e9voque des pressions US de ces derniers mois sur le Br\u00e9sil pour discr\u00e9diter Greenwald (qui r\u00e9side \u00e0 Rio) comme fauteur de troubles cherchant \u00e0 compromettre les bonnes et vertueuses relations USA-Br\u00e9sil, il semble que l&rsquo;on commence \u00e0 consid\u00e9rer Greenwald, du c\u00f4t\u00e9 gouvernemental br\u00e9silien, comme un alli\u00e9. Suggestion pour Brasilia : donnez-lui donc le poste d&rsquo;ambassadeur du Br\u00e9sil \u00e0 Washington, avec Snowden comme premier adjoint&#8230; Immunit\u00e9 diplomatique, certes, et, comme l&rsquo;on sait les USA si respectueux des lois internationales tout cela se terminerait par une guerre de plus. N&#8217;emp\u00eache, la NSA est d\u00e9cid\u00e9ment un joujou co\u00fbteux en termes de cons\u00e9quences diverses de ses incartades obsessionnelles.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCi-dessous, des extraits d&rsquo;un texte tr\u00e8s complet de McClatchy sur ces d\u00e9veloppements, du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mcclatchydc.com\/2013\/09\/03\/201125\/nsa-leak-might-lead-to-cancellation.html#.UibUSOA32ew#storylink=cpy\" class=\"gen\">3 septembre 2013<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Revelations of a U.S. spy program that allegedly allows digital surveillance of the presidents of Brazil and Mexico have drawn cries of indignation and anger in both nations, but the fallout may be strongest for U.S.-Brazil relations. At stake is whether Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff will cancel a planned state visit to Washington in October, the first offered by President Barack Obama this year, or will take action on digital security that may affect U.S. companies such as Google, Facebook and Yahoo.<\/em> [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The Brazilian newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo reported Tuesday that Rousseff was considering canceling the state visit and might recall Brazil&rsquo;s ambassador to the United States. Brazil also said it would raise the issue at the Group of 20 meeting this week in Russia, where Rousseff will see Obama for the first time since the original NSA leaks surfaced in June. Rubens Barbosa, a former Brazilian ambassador to Washington under Fernando Henrique Cardoso, an elder statesman and the de facto leader of Brazil&rsquo;s opposition party, called the Rousseff administration&rsquo;s reaction adequate, adding you have to show that you are not comfortable with what the U.S. is doing.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Brazil might respond in ways that have teeth. Rousseff is reported to be considering a proposal that would suspend the operations of companies that cooperate with the NSA or U.S. intelligence agencies. This might be a new bill or may be inserted into a proposal under debate in Congress called the Marco Civil, a framework for Internet governance in Brazil that&rsquo;s being pushed by companies that include Google, Facebook, and Yahoo. If Rousseff were to propose modifying the Marco Civil to include her government&rsquo;s concerns, these companies probably would stop supporting it.<\/em> [&#8230;] <em>Rousseff also has talked about requiring foreign websites or Internet companies to store data in Brazil rather than in the United States. Brazil&rsquo;s minister of communications, Paulo Bernardo, told O Estado de Sao Paulo that if companies cooperate with spying, their licenses to operate in Brazil will be canceled.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Peter Hakim, the president emeritus of the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington-based policy group, noted that Secretary of State John Kerry had visited Brasilia last month to patch things up after the initial NSA leaks but really did not do a very good job. He just brushed it off. Hakim said he believed the O Globo report, and he added that snooping at presidents is disrespectful and offensive. Rousseff and<\/em> [<em>Mexicain President<\/em>] <em> Pena Nieto had to issue strong statements, Hakim said. Both have to show they are not pushovers, that they can stand up to the U.S., he said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Questions remain over whether Washington is pressuring Brasilia to make life difficult for Greenwald, a U.S. citizen who resides in Brazil. No evidence of that has yet surfaced, but a Brazilian official said that according to a cable, a U.S. official had brought up Greenwald at a meeting with a Brazilian official in Washington in August, saying that, Greenwald&rsquo;s objective was to disrupt bilateral relations. The Brazilian official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because he wasn&rsquo;t authorized to talk to journalists, added: After Sunday, for certain Greenwald is being seen as an ally by the Brazilian government&#8230;<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<p class=\"signature\"><em>defensa.org<\/em><\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Br\u00e9sil, NSA, G20 et le reste : Rousseff peut aller loin Il semble que l&rsquo;affaire Br\u00e9sil-NSA-Rousseff, d\u00e9voil\u00e9e ce week-end (voir le 3 septembre 2013), pourrait prendre des proportions importantes, voire consid\u00e9rables. (Le Mexique, \u00e9galement concern\u00e9 avec son pr\u00e9sident suivi par la NSA d\u00e8s avant qu&rsquo;il soit pr\u00e9sident, est notablement en arri\u00e8re de la position br\u00e9silienne.&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[14],"tags":[3677,10437,7932,12276,6944,855,2943,3871,9775],"class_list":["post-75190","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ouverture-libre","tag-bresil","tag-espionnage","tag-g20","tag-globo","tag-greenwald","tag-kerry","tag-mexique","tag-nsa","tag-rousseff"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75190","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75190"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75190\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75190"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75190"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75190"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}