{"id":75442,"date":"2014-08-04T13:06:06","date_gmt":"2014-08-04T13:06:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/04\/mh17-selon-parry-et-ses-sources-voir-les-extremistes-de-kiev\/"},"modified":"2014-08-04T13:06:06","modified_gmt":"2014-08-04T13:06:06","slug":"mh17-selon-parry-et-ses-sources-voir-les-extremistes-de-kiev","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/04\/mh17-selon-parry-et-ses-sources-voir-les-extremistes-de-kiev\/","title":{"rendered":"MH17 selon Parry et ses sources : voir les extr\u00e9mistes de Kiev"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h3 class=\"titrebloc\">MH17 selon Parry et ses sources : voir les extr\u00e9mistes de Kiev<\/h3>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tIl y a fort \u00e0 parier que Robert Parry, qui n&rsquo;avait plus \u00e9crit personnellement sur son site depuis le 27 juillet, s&rsquo;est activ\u00e9 aupr\u00e8s de ses sources dans l&rsquo;<em>Intelligence Community<\/em> (IC) pour nous donner ce texte du <a href=\"http:\/\/consortiumnews.com\/2014\/08\/03\/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts\/\" class=\"gen\">3 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a> sur l&rsquo;\u00e9volution de la position de l&rsquo;IC dans l&rsquo;affaire de la destruction du vol MH17 au-dessus de la r\u00e9gion du Donbass. (Parry veut probablement signifier, lorsqu&rsquo;il cite <em>some sources<\/em>, qu&rsquo;il s&rsquo;agit de l&rsquo;opinion de la partie la plus s\u00e9rieuse et la moins politis\u00e9e de l&rsquo;IC \u00e0 Washington ; on conna\u00eet ses accointances qui fondent une r\u00e9putation de premi\u00e8re qualit\u00e9 dans le journalisme d&rsquo;investigation des mati\u00e8res de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, et aussi la position de direction qu&rsquo;il a prise dans l&rsquo;investigation antiSyst\u00e8me de l&rsquo;affaire MH17.) Parry rapporte que cette position se fixe sur la th\u00e8se de la responsabilit\u00e9 de Kiev, avec la possibilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;inclure divers \u00e9l\u00e9ments d\u00e9j\u00e0 signal\u00e9s par les Russes ou par des analystes ind\u00e9pendants, comme la pr\u00e9sence d&rsquo;avions de combat ukrainiens pr\u00e8s du vol MH17. L&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8se de la responsabilit\u00e9 de Kiev porterait plut\u00f4t vers des \u00e9l\u00e9ments extr\u00e9mistes type-<em>Pravy Sektor<\/em>, qui aurait pris l&rsquo;avion de la Malaysia Airlines pour un avion civil russe, voir l&rsquo;avion officiel russe ramenant Poutine d&rsquo;Am\u00e9rique Latine.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLa position de l&rsquo;IC, et de cette partie de l&rsquo;IC que cite Parry, est en compl\u00e8te contradiction avec celle du pouvoir civil, notamment Kerry et Obama, et, bien entendu, d\u00e9truit compl\u00e8tement l&rsquo;argumentation circonstancielle du d\u00e9cha\u00eenement antirusse que l&rsquo;on conna\u00eet actuellement. Parry estime n\u00e9anmoins, sans v\u00e9ritablement nous surprendre, que si ces \u00e9valuations sont confirm\u00e9es elles ne seront pas expos\u00e9es publiquement ni prises en compte parce qu&rsquo;elles constituent un d\u00e9menti trop violent des positions politiques. Tout juste en resterait-on \u00e0 la position actuelle, o\u00f9 rien n&rsquo;est \u00e9tabli officiellement et o\u00f9 tout se passe comme si les Russes \u00e9taient coupables. (Cela confirmerait le r\u00f4le de l&rsquo;incident du vol MH17 comme <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-de_guerre_longue_et_lasse_04_08_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">nous le percevons<\/a>, \u00ab<em>comme si cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement constituait un symbole plus qu&rsquo;un v\u00e9ritable \u00e9v\u00e9nement&#8230;<\/em>\u00bb : \u00ab<em>Comme l&rsquo;on sait, on n&rsquo;a pas d\u00e9termin\u00e9 les circonstances de cet incident, et la probabilit\u00e9 que la Russie en soit l&rsquo;instigatrice, comme le proclament unanimement la presse-Syst\u00e8me et les dirigeants-Syst\u00e8me du bloc BAO, est extr\u00eamement minime, sinon inexistante. On \u00e9carte donc le poids disons op\u00e9rationnel de cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement totalement faussaire, \u00e0 l&rsquo;image de notre \u00e9poque, et on le consid\u00e9rerait plut\u00f4t comme le symbole de l&rsquo;ach\u00e8vement acc\u00e9l\u00e9r\u00e9 de la r\u00e9orientation radicale des relations internationales.<\/em>\u00bb)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>Contrary to the Obama administration&rsquo;s public claims blaming eastern Ukrainian rebels and Russia for the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, some U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame, according to a source briefed on these findings. This judgment  at odds with what President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry have expressed publicly  is based largely on the absence of U.S. government evidence that Russia supplied the rebels with a Buk anti-aircraft missile system that would be needed to hit a civilian jetliner flying at 33,000 feet, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Despite U.S. spy satellites positioned over eastern Ukraine, U.S. intelligence agencies have released no images of a Buk system being transferred by Russians to rebel control, shipped into Ukraine, deployed into firing position and then being taken back to Russia. Though the Obama administration has released other images of Ukraine taken by U.S. spy satellites, the absence of any photos of a rebel-controlled Buk missile battery has been the dog not barking in the strident case that Official Washington has made in blaming the rebels and Russia for the July 17 shoot-down that killed 298 people.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Given the size of these missile batteries  containing four 16-foot-long missiles  the absence of this evidence prompted caution among U.S. intelligence analysts even as senior U.S. officials and the U.S. mainstream media rushed to judgment blaming the rebels and Russians. In making that case, Kerry and other senior officials relied on claims made by the Ukrainian government along with items posted on social media. These snippets of evidence included ambiguous remarks attributed to rebels who may have initially thought the shoot-down was another of their successful attacks on lower-flying Ukrainian military aircraft but who later insisted that they had not fired on the Malaysian plane and lacked the longer-range Buk missiles needed to reach above 30,000 feet.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>If the U.S. intelligence analysts are correct  that the rebels and Russia are likely not responsible  the chief remaining suspect would be the Ukrainian government, which does possess Buk anti-aircraft missiles and reportedly had two fighter jets in the vicinity of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 at the time of the shoot-down.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Some independent analyses of the initial evidence from the crash site suggest the jetliner may have been destroyed by an air-to-air attack, not by an anti-aircraft missile fired from the ground. Yet, the working hypothesis of the U.S. intelligence analysts is that a Ukrainian military Buk battery and the jetfighters may have been operating in collusion as they hunted what they thought was a Russian airliner, possibly even the plane carrying President Vladimir Putin on a return trip from South America, the source said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The source added that the U.S. intelligence analysis does not implicate top Ukrainian officials, such as President Petro Poroshenko or Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, suggesting that the attack may have been the work of more extremist factions, possibly even one of the Ukrainian oligarchs who have taken an aggressive approach toward prosecuting the war against the ethnic Russian rebels in the east.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Obviously, a successful shoot-down of a Russian plane, especially one carrying Putin, could have been a major coup for the Kiev regime, which ousted Russian ally, President Viktor Yanukovych, last February touching off the civil war. Some prominent Ukrainian politicians, such as ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, have expressed the desire to kill Putin. It&rsquo;s about time we grab our guns and kill, go kill those damn Russians together with their leader, Tymoshenko said in an intercepted phone call in March, according to a leak published in the Russian press and implicitly confirmed by Tymoshenko.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 4 ao\u00fbt 2014 \u00e0 13H04<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>MH17 selon Parry et ses sources : voir les extr\u00e9mistes de Kiev Il y a fort \u00e0 parier que Robert Parry, qui n&rsquo;avait plus \u00e9crit personnellement sur son site depuis le 27 juillet, s&rsquo;est activ\u00e9 aupr\u00e8s de ses sources dans l&rsquo;Intelligence Community (IC) pour nous donner ce texte du 3 ao\u00fbt 2014 sur l&rsquo;\u00e9volution de&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[15927,3957,4464,15634,2807,15635],"class_list":["post-75442","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breves-de-crise","tag-mh17","tag-missile","tag-parry","tag-pravy","tag-renseignement","tag-sektor"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75442","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75442"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75442\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75442"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75442"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75442"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}