{"id":75452,"date":"2014-08-09T06:52:59","date_gmt":"2014-08-09T06:52:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/09\/les-sources-evoluent-mh17-etait-il-lavion-de-poutine\/"},"modified":"2014-08-09T06:52:59","modified_gmt":"2014-08-09T06:52:59","slug":"les-sources-evoluent-mh17-etait-il-lavion-de-poutine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/09\/les-sources-evoluent-mh17-etait-il-lavion-de-poutine\/","title":{"rendered":"Les sources \u00e9voluent : MH17 \u00e9tait-il l&rsquo;avion de Poutine ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h3 class=\"titrebloc\">Les sources \u00e9voluent : MH17 \u00e9tait-il l&rsquo;avion de Poutine ?<\/h3>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tComme l&rsquo;on sait, nous avons choisi de suivre l&rsquo;\u00e9volution des \u00e9valuations des sources de Robert Parry dans la crise de la destruction du vol MH17 de Malaysia Airlines. Ce choix est bas\u00e9 sur le s\u00e9rieux du journaliste, la valeur de ses sources dans l&rsquo;<em>Intelligence Community<\/em> (IC), largement d\u00e9montr\u00e9e par nombre de ses travaux et enqu\u00eates depuis qu&rsquo;il \u00e9tait \u00e0 AP o\u00f9 il fut couronn\u00e9 par une r\u00e9compense pour son travail d&rsquo;investigation (voir des pr\u00e9cisions sur Parry lui-m\u00eame le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-quelques_mots_sur_parry_et_kerry_et_mh17_22_07_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">22 juillet 2014<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tSi nous donnons ces pr\u00e9cisions concernant notre m\u00e9thodologie, c&rsquo;est pour accompagner la pr\u00e9sentation de la derni\u00e8re intervention de Parry, le <a href=\"http:\/\/consortiumnews.com\/2014\/08\/08\/was-putin-targeted-for-mid-air-assassination\/\" class=\"gen\">8 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a>, sur son site <em>ConsortiumNews<\/em>. Parry rapporte que ses sources \u00e0 l&rsquo;IC envisagent d\u00e9sormais l&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8se extr\u00eame des contestataires de la version officielle, savoir que la destruction de MH17 est une erreur des groupes qui ont mont\u00e9 l&rsquo;attaque, la v\u00e9ritable cible \u00e9tant l&rsquo;avion qui ramenait le pr\u00e9sident Poutine de son voyage en Am\u00e9rique du Sud. Les groupes sont identifi\u00e9s \u00e9videmment comme des extr\u00e9mistes ukrainiens (on y venait d\u00e9j\u00e0, le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-mh17_selon_parry_et_ses_sources_voir_les_extr_mistes_de_kiev_04_08_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">4 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a>), \u00e0 l&rsquo;int\u00e9rieur et en-dehors du gouvernement, agissant avec des complicit\u00e9s dans la force a\u00e9rienne ukrainienne. (Cette th\u00e8se a \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9voqu\u00e9e sur une foultitude de sites et <em>blogs<\/em> de l&rsquo;internet dans les quelques jours qui ont suivi la destruction de MH17. Elle fait partie de la n\u00e9buleuse fournie d&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8ses contestant la <em>narrative<\/em> officielle du bloc BAO de la responsabilit\u00e9 russe. La n\u00e9buleuse est d&rsquo;autant plus fournie que cette <em>narrative<\/em> officielle est l&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation <strong>la plus extr\u00eame parmi ce qui est le moins cr\u00e9dible, sinon totalement invraisemblable<\/strong>, dans l&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation de cette crise.) <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>U.S. intelligence analysts are weighing the possibility that the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a botched attempt by extremists in the Ukrainian government to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin whose aircraft was returning from South America the same day, according to a source briefed on the U.S. investigation. If true, the direction of the investigation into the July 17 crash has veered dramatically from initial U.S. government allegations that eastern Ukrainian rebels, using a Russian-supplied anti-aircraft battery, were responsible for bringing down the plane killing 298 people onboard.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>The Obama administration used those claims to whip up an anti-Russian hysteria that prompted European countries to ratchet up economic sanctions against Moscow, starting what now looks like an incipient trade war. But the U.S. analysts dismissed those original suspicions because they could find no evidence that such a missile battery had been supplied by the Russians or was in the possession of the rebels, prompting a shift in thinking toward a scenario in which Ukrainian hardliners working with elements of the air force may have tried to ambush Putin&rsquo;s plane but instead hit the Malaysian airliner, said the source speaking on condition of anonymity.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Putin flies in a plane with similar red, white and blue markings as the Malaysian airliner and was known to be on his way home after a six-day visit to South America. But his plane took a different route and landed safely in Moscow. After the crash, as U.S. intelligence analysts pored over phone intercepts and other intelligence data, they began to suspect that the motive for the shoot-down was the desire among some Ukrainian extremists to eliminate Putin whom they had been privately vowing to kill  words initially viewed as empty bluster but which were looked at differently in hindsight  the source said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>If some Ukrainian authorities were hoping to ambush Putin&rsquo;s plane, they also would have had only a matter of minutes to detect the aircraft&rsquo;s presence and make a decision to fire, so it could be plausible that the attackers made a hasty decision to hit Putin&rsquo;s plane before they realized that they had made a tragic mistake.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLa situation et les \u00e9v\u00e9nements politiques qui poussent les sources de l&rsquo;IC \u00e0 d\u00e9velopper cette version extr\u00eame de l&rsquo;affaire MH17 sont connus et r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement r\u00e9pertori\u00e9s depuis des semaines, dans le climat d&rsquo;invectives et de haine en Ukraine, avec l&rsquo;orientation antirusse qu&rsquo;on conna\u00eet et une constante mise en cause de Poutine, y compris avec des menaces de mort d\u00e9velopp\u00e9es dans le plus pur style de la caricature grotesque de l&rsquo;univers du crime de moins en moins organis\u00e9. A cet \u00e9gard, la situation g\u00e9n\u00e9rale en Ukraine, du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Kiev, ne peut \u00eatre caract\u00e9ris\u00e9e que par des termes de fr\u00e9n\u00e9sie et de paroxysme pathologiques, aliment\u00e9s par la constante construction de <em>narrative<\/em> toujours plus extr\u00eames, sans aucune r\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 de la situation. Il faut tout de m\u00eame noter que Parry y rajoute un \u00e9l\u00e9ment objectif dans l&rsquo;\u00e9volution de l&rsquo;IC qu&rsquo;il rapporte, qui est la prise en compte de la d\u00e9mission d&rsquo;un des leaders extr\u00e9mistes, Andriy Parubiy, de son poste gouvernemental.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>But the assassination motive would seem to make more sense given the intense hatred expressed by Ukrainian leaders toward Putin and how Ukrainian extremists would view the murder of Putin as a giant feather in their cap. Still, the idea of assassinating the Russian president by shooting down his plane  even if the attack were carried out by hardliners without the approval of top officials  could have provoked a major international crisis. Nuclear-armed Russia would have almost surely retaliated against Ukraine, possibly with a full-scale invasion which could have escalated into a dangerous military confrontation with the United States.<\/em> [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Another curious development was the sudden resignation on Thursday of Andriy Parubiy as chief of Ukraine&rsquo;s national security. A longtime neo-Nazi leader, Parubiy had organized and directed the paramilitary forces that spearheaded the putsch on Feb. 22 forcing Yanukovych and his government officials to flee for their lives.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Parubiy refused to explain his reason for quitting but some analysts believe it may have a connection to the Malaysia Airlines shoot-down, the source said. The U.S. intelligence analysts specifically said their evidence does not implicate Ukraine&rsquo;s current President Petro Poroshenko or Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, but they did not extend that clearance to the more extreme elements of the government, the source said.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tBien entendu, comme toujours dans cette sorte de d\u00e9marche, se pose la question de la possibilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;une exploitation publique de la th\u00e8se. Comme toujours encore, Parry \u00e9met les r\u00e9serves les plus extr\u00eames, d&rsquo;autant plus extr\u00eames que les dirigeants (US notamment) ont totalement engag\u00e9 ce qu&rsquo;il reste de leur pi\u00e8tre cr\u00e9dibilit\u00e9 r\u00e9duite \u00e0 diverses poussi\u00e8res dans la version mettant Moscou en cause. D&rsquo;un point de vue psychologique et du point de vue de la communication, une telle reconnaissance de leur erreur par la direction politique, si telle version s&rsquo;av\u00e9rait fond\u00e9e, est simplement impensable,  le fameux <em>unthinkable<\/em> qui, autrefois, caract\u00e9risait des domaines plus s\u00e9rieux comme celui d&rsquo;un affrontement nucl\u00e9aire strat\u00e9gique.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00ab<em>As the pieces of this puzzle fill in, the image that emerges is of a possible Ukrainian ambush of a jetliner heading into Russian airspace that had markings very similar to President Putin&rsquo;s official plane. As shocking as that picture may be, there is a grim logic to it, given the demonization of Putin who has been likened to Hitler and Stalin by pundits and politicians from Ukraine to the United States.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>However, even if the U.S. intelligence analysts do assemble a strong case implicating an extremist faction within the Ukrainian government, there is still the political problem for the Obama administration of dealing with a conclusion so dramatically at odds with the original accusations aimed at the rebels and Russia. Powerful people are notoriously unwilling to admit mistakes, especially when it could open them to charges that they rushed to judgment and behaved recklessly. There are similarities with the hasty U.S. conclusions a year ago when sarin gas killed hundreds outside Damascus on Aug. 21  and the finger of blame was pointed immediately at the government of President Bashar al-Assad&#8230;<\/em> [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Over the ensuing months as much of Kerry&rsquo;s case fell apart, some of these analysts came to believe that <\/em>[<em>Syria&rsquo;s<\/em>] <em>rebel extremists were likely responsible for the attack as a provocation to draw in the U.S. military into the civil war on their side. But the U.S. government has never retracted its allegations against the Syrian government.<\/em> [&#8230;] <em>Given how far senior U.S. officials have gone in heaping blame for the Malaysia Airlines shoot-down on the rebels and the Russians, it is hard to envision a walk-back of those accusations regardless of the actual evidence. To compel that would require true courage from U.S. analysts or from international investigators looking into the crash.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t&#8230; Il ne s&rsquo;agit pas ici, sans aucun doute, de marquer le sort d&rsquo;une pol\u00e9mique, de trouver argument pour l&rsquo;un ou l&rsquo;autre, du type <em>I told you so<\/em> (je vous l&rsquo;avais bien dit). Dans la folie extraordinaire qu&rsquo;est devenue l&rsquo;Ukraine, et particuli\u00e8rement l&rsquo;ensemble politico-subversif totalement corrompu et inverti jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 la plus grotesque caricature concevable qui figure la direction et l&rsquo;\u00e9lite politiques, on peut admettre que tout est possible, y compris le pire et plut\u00f4t le pire,  et, dans ce cas, les je vous l&rsquo;avais bien dit n&rsquo;ont qu&rsquo;un int\u00e9r\u00eat anecdotique qui n&rsquo;implique aucun cr\u00e9dit pour les interpr\u00e9tations futures. Cette reconnaissance n&rsquo;est ni un facteur nouveau, ni un facteur vraiment important, dans une Ukraine o\u00f9 <strong>tout est possible<\/strong>, sp\u00e9cialement ce qui para\u00eet impossible, sp\u00e9cialement les <strong>je vous l&rsquo;avais bien dit les plus invraisemblables<\/strong> qui s&rsquo;av\u00e8rent donc ne pas l&rsquo;\u00eatre du tout.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tCe qui importe dans le cas envisag\u00e9 ici, avec le cr\u00e9dit dont dispose Parry et l&rsquo;intention o\u00f9 on le suppose de ne pas mettre ce cr\u00e9dit en jeu s&rsquo;il n&rsquo;a pas de tr\u00e8s solides raisons de le faire (et de tr\u00e8s solides convictions du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de ses sources), c&rsquo;est le constat qu&rsquo;une fraction sans doute non n\u00e9gligeable et certainement significative de l&rsquo;IC \u00e0 Washington, arriv\u00e9e \u00e0 la conclusion la plus extr\u00eame de l&rsquo;interpr\u00e9tation de la destruction du MH17, pousse pour que cette conclusion soit connue, officieusement certes mais selon une ligne de communication (Parry) qui a un certain cr\u00e9dit. En un sens, on peut donc interpr\u00e9ter cette d\u00e9marche comme un message \u00e0 la direction politique US. Il ne s&rsquo;agit pas n\u00e9cessairement d&rsquo;une menace de r\u00e9v\u00e9lation officielle, et m\u00eame certainement pas, car les sources de Parry savent tr\u00e8s bien, comme lui-m\u00eame le pr\u00e9cise, qu&rsquo;elles n&rsquo;ont quasiment aucun moyen de faire revenir la direction politique sur l&rsquo;affabulation initiale qui lui sert de ligne politique majeure dans une crise qui fr\u00f4le constamment l&rsquo;affrontement politique et strat\u00e9gique le plus grave possible dans les relations internationales, et l&rsquo;affrontement jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 des menaces quasiment physiques au niveau des protagonistes au sein des divers pouvoirs en cause. Il s&rsquo;agit de faire savoir que telle fraction de l&rsquo;IC a son interpr\u00e9tation, qui ne cesse de s&rsquo;\u00e9loigner et de contredire radicalement la position officielle, et que cela fait partir du lourd dossier ukrainien, du tr\u00e8s lourd dossier des relations d&rsquo;affrontement avec la Russie, etc.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tOn mesurera bien entendu ce qu&rsquo;un tel cas, pris comme exemplaire et nullement exclusif, nous dit du climat psychologique qui r\u00e8gne dans les directions g\u00e9n\u00e9rales des pays du bloc BAO, et aux USA. Ce type d&rsquo;intervention contribue \u00e0 fragiliser constamment l&rsquo;assise de conviction de la th\u00e8se officielle, c&rsquo;est-\u00e0-dire \u00e0 fragiliser d&rsquo;autant la stature et l&rsquo;assise de la direction politique (l&rsquo;administration, le Congr\u00e8s, les divers centres de pouvoir). Aucun ne peut c\u00e9der, certes, dans l&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme de sa position du point de vue du pouvoir politique, et c&rsquo;est en fait la solidit\u00e9 structurelle de cette position qui ne cesse d&rsquo;\u00eatre affaiblie. C&rsquo;est dans cette sorte de circonstances qu&rsquo;un \u00e9v\u00e9nement impr\u00e9vu,  qui peut tr\u00e8s bien n&rsquo;avoir aucune connexion avec MH17\/Poutine, puisque c&rsquo;est la solidit\u00e9 structurelle qui est consid\u00e9r\u00e9e,   peut provoquer des r\u00e9actions en cha\u00eene, face \u00e0 des psychologies (celles de la direction) affaiblies et \u00e9puis\u00e9es. C&rsquo;est de ce point de vue qu&rsquo;il faut attendre et esp\u00e9rer un choc psychologique extraordinaire (voir notamment le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-la_responsabilit_de_poutine_selon_paul_craig_roberts_07_08_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">7 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a>) faisant basculer le Syst\u00e8me dans la phase finale de sa crise d&rsquo;effondrement&#8230; Ce Syst\u00e8me \u00e0 la fois saoul de surpuissance incontr\u00f4l\u00e9 et totalement d\u00e9structur\u00e9 dans ses incoh\u00e9rences autodestructrices de communication, \u00e9voluant dans un univers fantasmagorique cr\u00e9\u00e9 par lui-m\u00eame et sans cesse renforc\u00e9, qui ne cesse de se heurter aux v\u00e9rit\u00e9s de situation de plus en plus solides, de plus en plus exigeantes.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 9 ao\u00fbt 2014 \u00e0 06H52<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les sources \u00e9voluent : MH17 \u00e9tait-il l&rsquo;avion de Poutine ? Comme l&rsquo;on sait, nous avons choisi de suivre l&rsquo;\u00e9volution des \u00e9valuations des sources de Robert Parry dans la crise de la destruction du vol MH17 de Malaysia Airlines. Ce choix est bas\u00e9 sur le s\u00e9rieux du journaliste, la valeur de ses sources dans l&rsquo;Intelligence Community&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[7029,4270,4375,8039,4623,4008,15927,4321,8040,4464,15975,916,3030],"class_list":["post-75452","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bloc-notes","tag-assassinat","tag-autodestruction","tag-community","tag-crime","tag-extremistes","tag-intelligence","tag-mh17","tag-narrative","tag-organise","tag-parry","tag-parubiy","tag-poutine","tag-ukrainiens"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75452","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75452"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75452\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75452"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75452"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75452"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}