{"id":75462,"date":"2014-08-16T16:53:31","date_gmt":"2014-08-16T16:53:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/16\/quelques-observations-sur-linvasion-eclair\/"},"modified":"2014-08-16T16:53:31","modified_gmt":"2014-08-16T16:53:31","slug":"quelques-observations-sur-linvasion-eclair","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/08\/16\/quelques-observations-sur-linvasion-eclair\/","title":{"rendered":"Quelques observations sur l&rsquo;invasion-\u00e9clair"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h4 class=\"breve-de-crise\">Quelques observations sur l&rsquo;invasion-\u00e9clair<\/h4>\n<p>Richard <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eureferendum.com\/history.aspx?blogno=84858\" class=\"gen\">North<\/a>, qu&rsquo;il nous arriva d\u00e9j\u00e0 de consulter (voir notamment le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-un_rapport_qui_laisse_penser_01_11_2005.html\" class=\"gen\">1er novembre 2005<\/a> et le <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-le_porte-avions_franco-anglais_le_jsf_et_une_rafale_d_hypotheses__01_02_2006.html\" class=\"gen\">1er f\u00e9vrier 2006<\/a>) est un anti-europ\u00e9en absolument radical, parfois pro-am\u00e9ricaniste, parfois tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressant. Nous le red\u00e9couvrons sur son site <em>EUReferendum<\/em>, avec une position nettement anti-UE sur la question ukrainienne, par cons\u00e9quent \u00e9ventuellement pro-russe (les ennemis de mes ennemis&#8230;). L&rsquo;int\u00e9r\u00eat de North, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;il met au service de son engagement politique radical des connaissances op\u00e9rationnelles et techniques tr\u00e8s avanc\u00e9es dans le domaine de la d\u00e9fense. Ce qu&rsquo;il fait dans son article du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eureferendum.com\/blogview.aspx?blogno=85143\" class=\"gen\">16 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a> renforce de fa\u00e7on sympathique ce que nous \u00e9voquons dans notre texte du <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dedefensa.org\/article-invasion-_clair_aller-retour_reculons_et_destruction-_clair__16_08_2014.html\" class=\"gen\">16 ao\u00fbt 2014<\/a> sur l&rsquo;invasion russe de l&rsquo;Ukraine, selon la tactique de l&rsquo;\u00e9clair au chocolat ch\u00e8re au pr\u00e9sident Porochenko.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tOn notera  que la premi\u00e8re partie de l&rsquo;article contribue \u00e0 \u00e9claircir l&rsquo;un des myst\u00e8res de la destruction du vol MH17, concernant un v\u00e9hicule dont certains antirusses affirm\u00e8rent qu&rsquo;il \u00e9tait un lance-missiles BUK\/SA-11 russe ayant servi \u00e0 d\u00e9truire l&rsquo;avion. North en fait son profit pour d\u00e9monter cette version&#8230; Puis il passe au commentaire de l&rsquo;invasion-\u00e9clair\/fant\u00f4me de l&rsquo;Ukraine, avec nombre d&rsquo;appr\u00e9ciations sarcastiques pour les journalistes (<em>Guardian<\/em>, <em>Telegraph<\/em>, BBC.<em>News<\/em>) qui on lanc\u00e9 l&rsquo;alarme et fait la preuve du forfait avant que le forfait n&rsquo;ait lieu. (Dans son propre <em>Forum<\/em>, North intervient pour observer ceci qui est la cha\u00eene des erreurs et des mensonges qui se renforcent les uns et les autres, tout en se cr\u00e9dibilisant paradoxalement, entre journalistes-Syst\u00e8me et hommes politiques, selon le concept MPM  : \u00ab<em>The particular danger, it seems to me, is the media-politico-media loop. (I think I&rsquo;ll start calling it the MPM loop). The media report their garbage, the politicians lap it up and comment on it, the media them report the comment with the politicians then read, believing all that lies before them. This does the original reporting distort, and then get further distorted, taking on a like of its own, entirely divorced from the original events.<\/em>\u00bb.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tBien, concernant l&rsquo;invasion de l&rsquo;Ukraine, avec le commentaire que le reportage des m\u00e9dias sur cette sorte de crise tourne \u00e0 la farce  : \u00ab<em>But, with the solution of one mystery, we now have another in the fabled Russian invasion of Ukraine (as opposed to Crimea), witnessed by the Telegraph and the Guardian but apparently very few others. And now with the column apparently attacked by the Ukrainians, with some armour destroyed, Russia&rsquo;s government has denied the existence of this invasion, calling the Ukrainian report some kind of fantasy.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Strangely, this famous victory seems to have been unwitnessed by any journalist and, for the moment, no photographs have been published, with even the famous Shaun Walker relying on claims from the Ukrainians, his report illustrated with a stock photograph. Hilariously, Newsweek uses a photograph of a wrecked BMP-2 from 5 July.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Back on this planet (just), Walker tells us that The Guardian saw at least 50 APCs and dozens of trucks and troop carrying vehicles, many emblazoned with Peacekeeping Forces and some flying the Russian flag, on the road to Ukraine. Whether these were the same batch attacked by Ukraine is not entirely clear, although Walker&rsquo;s invasion seems to have happened on Thursday night. This time, the putative invadors appeared to turn off before reaching the immediate vicinity of the border. And, it seems, earlier in the day, what appeared to be parts of a BUK system were also seen in the area, passing by the roadside camp where the humanitarian convoy has stopped.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Walker also took some pics (above), which seem to have come from the same location that Rosenberg snapped the 9C18M1, which makes sense. And while Rosenerg might have some excuse for asking about the identity of the radar unit, Walker has less excuse in asking his Twitter followers to identify the BUK launchers. Amazingly, it seems, there are hacks out there still who don&rsquo;t know what they look like.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>Basically, as with Iraq, the reporting of this ongoing crisis is degenerating into a farce. But when you have hacks hired to watch Russian military machinery and they don&rsquo;t even know what they&rsquo;re looking at, it is impossible to take their reportage seriously. And how the media managed to degenerate to this state is another mystery, and probably one we&rsquo;ll never solve.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 16 ao\u00fbt 2014 \u00e0 16H43<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quelques observations sur l&rsquo;invasion-\u00e9clair Richard North, qu&rsquo;il nous arriva d\u00e9j\u00e0 de consulter (voir notamment le 1er novembre 2005 et le 1er f\u00e9vrier 2006) est un anti-europ\u00e9en absolument radical, parfois pro-am\u00e9ricaniste, parfois tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressant. Nous le red\u00e9couvrons sur son site EUReferendum, avec une position nettement anti-UE sur la question ukrainienne, par cons\u00e9quent \u00e9ventuellement pro-russe (les ennemis&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[3882,15990,3659,10039,3570,15927,15991,3825,1296],"class_list":["post-75462","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breves-de-crise","tag-bbc","tag-bu","tag-guardian","tag-invasion","tag-medias","tag-mh17","tag-mpm","tag-north","tag-ukraine"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75462","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75462"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75462\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75462"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75462"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75462"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}