{"id":75502,"date":"2014-09-11T11:12:27","date_gmt":"2014-09-11T11:12:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/09\/11\/ou-le-guardian-decouvre-les-nazis-de-kiev\/"},"modified":"2014-09-11T11:12:27","modified_gmt":"2014-09-11T11:12:27","slug":"ou-le-guardian-decouvre-les-nazis-de-kiev","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/09\/11\/ou-le-guardian-decouvre-les-nazis-de-kiev\/","title":{"rendered":"O\u00f9 le Guardian<\/em> d\u00e9couvre les nazis de Kiev"},"content":{"rendered":"

O\u00f9 le Guardian<\/em> d\u00e9couvre les nazis de Kiev<\/h4>\n

L’un des grands axes des bataillons de la presse-Syst\u00e8me du bloc BAO a \u00e9t\u00e9 de constamment ridiculiser les affirmations et autres constats d’\u00e9vidence de la pr\u00e9sence de nombreux contingents de tendance nazie dans les forces de Kiev. Cela suivait l’\u00e9vidence de l’existence d’une force extr\u00e9miste de forte tendance nazi dans l’Ukraine de Kiev, repr\u00e9sent\u00e9e aussi bien par divers groupes de choc que par des partis connus, ayant des positions de direction au gouvernement depuis f\u00e9vrier dernier. Le cheminement de cette \u00e9vidence prend son temps mais finit par se faire ici et l\u00e0 dans la presse-Syst\u00e8me, sans pourtant changer l’orientation de la narrative<\/em>..<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tVoici donc que le Guardian<\/em> d\u00e9couvre les nazis de Kiev et s’en inqui\u00e8te, un peu comme appara\u00eet une g\u00e9n\u00e9ration spontan\u00e9e, dont on d\u00e9couvre, car l\u00e0 est le nud de la question, qu’elle met le pouvoir-guignol absolument d\u00e9mocratique de Kiev en danger, un peu comme si ce pouvoir-guignol, lui non plus, n’\u00e9tait pas au courant qu’il y a tant de nazis dans ses colonnes d’infanterie… Tant d’\u00e9tonnements, de surprises inqui\u00e8tes, de vertus soudain dans la pr\u00e9occupation et sur la d\u00e9fensive ! Se pourrait-il que la grande d\u00e9mocratie ukrainienne soit menac\u00e9e par un autre danger que l’omnipr\u00e9sente menace poutinienne ?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\tVoici donc l’article du 11 septembre 2014<\/a>, du Guardian<\/em> certes, qui explore et d\u00e9nonce la menace que constitue le bataillon Azov<\/em>, parmi d’autres… Mais ce n’est pas fini et l’on vous rassure aussit\u00f4t. En effet, la tonalit\u00e9 de l’arrticle autant que les confidences d’un Dimitri, bien \u00e0 propos puisqu’il est Russe, vous sugg\u00e8rent des conceptions encore plus audacieuses. Ce n’est rien de moins que cette id\u00e9e selon laquelle, bien qu’ayant combattu les s\u00e9paratistes prorusses et les tr\u00e8s nombreuses divisions russes qui occupent l’Ukraine de l’Est comme on ne peut pas ne pas le savoir, les nazis d’Azov<\/em> sont finalement assez pro-russes, c’est-\u00e0-dire pro-extr\u00e9mistes russes, en faveur de ces gens qui veulent une Grande Russie expansionniste, ce qui juistifie compl\u00e8tement la russophobie habituelle du Guardian<\/em> et du reste. Dimitri, du bataillon Azov<\/em>, n’en veut finalement qu’\u00e0 Poutine, notre Hitler postmoderne de service, dont on apprend alors de la bouche du m\u00eame Dilitri du bataillon Azov<\/em> qu’il est juif (on parle de Poutine, l\u00e0, pas de Hitler ni de Dimitri). Du coup, la d\u00e9monisation de Poutine reste tout de m\u00eame un facteur \u00e0 r\u00e9examiner au sein de la fantasy-narrative<\/em> en pleine refonte. Il est bien lourd de complexit\u00e9s diverses et humaines, le sort du conteur de fantasy-narrative<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00abI have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia, said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. But Putin’s not even a Russian. Putin’s a Jew. Dmitry which he said is not his real name is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion, a volunteer grouping that has been doing much of the frontline fighting in Ukraine’s war with pro-Russia separatists. The Azov, one of many volunteer brigades to fight alongside the Ukrainian army in the east of the country, has developed a reputation for fearlessness in battle.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbBut there is an increasing worry that while the Azov and other volunteer battalions might be Ukraine’s most potent and reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists, they also pose the most serious threat to the Ukrainian government, and perhaps even the state, when the conflict in the east is over. The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbDmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and believes the Holocaust never happened. Not everyone in the Azov battalion thinks like Dmitry, but after speaking with dozens of its fighters and embedding on several missions during the past week in and around the strategic port city of Mariupol, the Guardian found many of them to have disturbing political views, and almost all to be intent on bringing the fight to Kiev when the war in the east is over.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbThe battalion’s symbol is reminiscent of the Nazi Wolfsangel, though the battalion claims it is in fact meant to be the letters N and I crossed over each other, standing for national idea. Many of its members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials. Of course not, it’s all made up, there are just a lot of people who are interested in Nordic mythology, said one fighter when asked if there were neo-Nazis in the battalion. When asked what his own political views were, however, he said national socialist. As for the swastika tattoos on at least one man seen at the Azov base, the swastika has nothing to do with the Nazis, it was an ancient sun symbol, he claimed. The battalion has drawn far-right volunteers from abroad, such as Mikael Skillt, a 37-year-old Swede, trained as a sniper in the Swedish army, who described himself as an ethnic nationalist and fights on the front line with the battalion.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbDespite the presence of these elements, Russian propaganda that claims Kiev’s fascist junta wants to cleanse east Ukraine of Russian speakers is overblown. The Azov are a minority among the Ukrainian forces, and even they, however unpleasant their views may be, are not anti-Russian; in fact the lingua franca of the battalion is Russian, and most have Russian as their first language.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\t\u00bbIndeed, much of what Azov members say about race and nationalism is strikingly similar to the views of the more radical Russian nationalists fighting with the separatist side. The battalion even has a Russian volunteer, a 30-year-old from St Petersburg who refused to give his name. He said he views many of the Russian rebel commanders positively, especially Igor Strelkov, a former FSB officer who has a passion for military re-enactments and appears to see himself as a tsarist officer. He wants to resurrect a great Russia, said the volunteer; but Strelkov is only a pawn in Putin’s game, he said, and he hoped that Russia would some time have a nationalist, violent Maidan of its own.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\tMiw en ligne le 11 septembre 2014 \u00e0 11H12<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

O\u00f9 le Guardian d\u00e9couvre les nazis de Kiev L’un des grands axes des bataillons de la presse-Syst\u00e8me du bloc BAO a \u00e9t\u00e9 de constamment ridiculiser les affirmations et autres constats d’\u00e9vidence de la pr\u00e9sence de nombreux contingents de tendance nazie dans les forces de Kiev. Cela suivait l’\u00e9vidence de l’existence d’une force extr\u00e9miste de forte… <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[16030,16031,15855,3562,12722,12793,3659,6523,2797,916,15863],"class_list":["post-75502","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breves-de-crise","tag-azis","tag-azov","tag-bataillon","tag-demonisation","tag-dimitri","tag-donbass","tag-guardian","tag-juif","tag-kiev","tag-poutine","tag-strelkov"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75502","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75502"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75502\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75502"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75502"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75502"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}