Comme dans bien d’autres domaines (voir le journaliste Udo Ulfkotte, le 27 octobre 2014<\/a>), la destruction du vol MH17 de Malaysia Airlines \u00e9volue dans deux mondes sans relations entre eux. Le premier a rendu son verdict dans les premiers jours, sinon les premi\u00e8res heures suivant la destruction le 17 juillet dernier : la Russie coupable. C’est au nom de ce verdict hyst\u00e9rique qu’un nouveau train de sanctions, un nouveau rench\u00e9rissement dans l’agressivit\u00e9, une nouvelle avanc\u00e9e dans la pression antirusse furent imm\u00e9diatement op\u00e9rationnalis\u00e9s. Tout s’\u00e9tait donc pass\u00e9 comme si la Russie \u00e9tait \u00e0 la fois coupable et condamn\u00e9e, et le dossier du MH17\/premier monde consid\u00e9r\u00e9 comme clos.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tLe deuxi\u00e8me monde, dont on sugg\u00e9rera qu’il est plus proche de la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 de la situation, est celui de l’enqu\u00eate men\u00e9e sur la destruction du vol MH17, qui ne rendra pas son verdict avant la fin 2015. A ce moment-l\u00e0, on saura officiellement ce que les capacit\u00e9s d’investigation telles qu’elles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 constitu\u00e9es (avec les soup\u00e7ons qui vont avec) nous disent quant aux responsabilit\u00e9s de cette catastrophe. En attendant, la Russie n’est par d\u00e9finition nullement coupable, tandis que les indications qui accompagnent l’enqu\u00eate ne vont nullement dans ce sens. Un point int\u00e9ressant mis en \u00e9vidence par une interview du Spiegel<\/em> du chef de l’\u00e9quipe d’enqu\u00eateurs est que la th\u00e8se (russe) selon laquelle des avions de combat (ukrainiens) sont intervenus contre le MH17 est d\u00e9sormais prise en compte. (Voir aussi un indice \u00e0 ce propos le 10 octobre 2014<\/a>.) Russia Today<\/em> expose ce fait, parmi d’autres, le 27 octobre 2014<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00abThe chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine does not exclude the possibility that the aircraft might have been shot down from air, Der Spiegel reported. Intelligence to support this was presented by Moscow in July. The chief investigator with the Dutch National Prosecutors’ Office Fred Westerbeke said in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel published on Monday that his team is open to the theory that another plane shot down the Malaysian airliner.<\/em> [….]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbWesterbeke said that the Dutch investigators are preparing an official request for Moscow’s assistance since Russia is not part of the international investigation team. Westerbeke added that the investigators will specifically ask for the radar data suggesting that a Kiev military jet was flying near the passenger plane right before the catastrophe. Going by the intelligence available, it is my opinion that a shooting down by a surface to air missile remains the most likely scenario. But we are not closing our eyes to the possibility that things might have happened differently, he elaborated.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbThe international probe led by the Dutch – as nearly two-thirds of the victims were from the Netherlands – has not yet established how the crash happened. A preliminary report issued in September said only that the plane crashed as a result of structural damage from outside. Meanwhile, a report issued by the Dutch Safety Board on air crashes, listed several passenger jets in flight MH17’s vicinity, but no military aircraft nearby. In regard to this report Westerbeke said that the statement was based on information that was available at the time suggesting Russia could have more information on the issue.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tUn autre point int\u00e9ressant mis en \u00e9vidence par ces derni\u00e8res informations concernant l’enqu\u00eate est la confusion introduite par ce qui serait une profusion d’images de satellites d’observation au moment de la destruction de MH17. Il ne semble pas que ce soit un \u00e9v\u00e9nement sp\u00e9cifique mais bien une situation g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de saturation des moyens d’observation. Il y a tant de satellites en activit\u00e9 en m\u00eame temps, venant de diff\u00e9rents milieux (commerciaux, renseignement) qu’il est tr\u00e8s difficile de r\u00e9unir les preuves d’observation et, sans doute, d’en tirer des conclusions d\u00e9cisives.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbThough the West has accused Eastern Ukrainian militia forces of shooting down the plane, it has provided only circumstantial evidence in support of such claims. Moscow has urged the US to release satellite images that prove its claims. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed, a Russian Defense ministry spokesman said in a July statement. In his interview to the German media, Westerbeke also called on the US to release proof that supports its claims. We remain in contact with the United States in order to receive satellite photos, he said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbGerman’s foreign intelligence agency reportedly also believes that local militia shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, according to Der Spiegel. The media report claimed the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) president Gerhard Schindler provided ample evidence to back up his case, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence, to the Bundestag in early October. However, the Dutch prosecutor stated that he is not aware of the specific images in question. The problem is that there are many different satellite images. Some can be found on the Internet, whereas others originate from foreign intelligence services.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n \tMis en lgne le 28 octobre 2014 \u00e0 11H08<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Les deux mondes du vol MH17 Comme dans bien d’autres domaines (voir le journaliste Udo Ulfkotte, le 27 octobre 2014), la destruction du vol MH17 de Malaysia Airlines \u00e9volue dans deux mondes sans relations entre eux. 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