\tOn ne change surtout, surtout pas<\/strong> une formule qui s’est av\u00e9r\u00e9e catastrophique. Ainsi, l’Ukraine consid\u00e9r\u00e9e selon la prospective d’un \u00e9conomiste-Syst\u00e8me comme si le reste n’existait pas, ni l’histoire ni l’exp\u00e9rience, va-t-elle conna\u00eetre un traitement type Russie-des-ann\u00e9es-1990, mais dans des conditions infiniment pires. C’est de cette fa\u00e7on qu’on pourrait r\u00e9sumer la philosophie de la structuration que le brillant pr\u00e9sident Porochenko-chocolat met en place avec l’arriv\u00e9e de trois ministres naturalis\u00e9s pour la (bonne) cause. (Mais ne dirait-on pas plut\u00f4t structuration d\u00e9structur\u00e9e pour d\u00e9signer le projet, en une sorte d’oxymore-Syst\u00e8me qui ne prendrait m\u00eame pas la peine de se d\u00e9guiser en image po\u00e9tique.) Depuis qu’elle est connue, la nouvelle a fait l’objet de nombreux commentaire au milieu des agitations parlementaires \u00e0 Kiev, accompagnant cette annonce (voir par exemple ZeroHedge.com<\/em>, le 4 d\u00e9cembre 2014<\/a> : \u00abFight Breaks Out In Parliament When Ukraine Learns It Has Quietly Become The Newest US State<\/em>\u00bb).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tRappelons rapidement qui sont les trois nouveaux ministres qui ont effectivement \u00e9t\u00e9 tous trois naturalis\u00e9s ukrainiens par d\u00e9cret du pr\u00e9sident Porochenko, avant de se voir confier leurs minist\u00e8res respectifs : Aivaras Abromavicius, banquier-investisseur lithuanien d\u00e9sormais ministre du d\u00e9veloppement \u00e9conomique et du commerce ; Alexander Kvitachvili, de nationalit\u00e9 g\u00e9orgienne avant d’\u00eatre rebaptis\u00e9, d\u00e9sormais ministre de la sant\u00e9 dont les comp\u00e9tences englobent nombre d’aspects sociaux ; Natalie Jaresco, citoyenne US d’origine ukrainienne, travaillant en Ukraine depuis 20 ans apr\u00e8s une carri\u00e8re au d\u00e9partement d’\u00c9tat \u00e0 Washington, nationalis\u00e9e ukrainienne pour devenir ministre des finances. Bien, \u00e0 eux trois, ils tiennent l’\u00e9conomie ukrainienne et, par cons\u00e9quent, ils constituent une sorte de mini-gouvernement \u00e9tranger travaillant presque d’une fa\u00e7on autonome et qui, \u00e0 l’int\u00e9rieur du gouvernement mais sans vraiment ni se coordonner avec lui, ni en attendre des consignes, va s’occuper du destin de l’Ukraine. La messe est dite pour ce qui est de l’orientation de la chose : il s’agit d’une antenne directement reli\u00e9e aux milieux financiers et \u00e9conomiques new-yorkais et du bloc BAO, avec consultations permanentes du FMI, de l’UE, etc. Il se dit m\u00eame que l’UE a demand\u00e9 et obtenu des rencontres avec les trois ministres seuls, et son repr\u00e9sentant \u00e0 Kiev, ou tel ou tel envoy\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial, pour qu’on puisse discuter \u00e0 l’aise du programme concoct\u00e9e pour l’Ukraine ; et cette pr\u00e9cision nous permet de comprendre qu’effectivement ces trois ministres ont eux-m\u00eames des r\u00e9unions \u00e0 trois…<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tAvec un peu de distance de l’\u00e9v\u00e9nement et les pr\u00e9cisions ainsi obtenues, on peut maintenant avancer des commentaires circonstanci\u00e9s. Ce 12 d\u00e9cembre 2014<\/a>, la station-radio de Sputnik.News<\/em> a diffus\u00e9 un entretien conduit par Ekaterina Kudachkina avec deux personnalit\u00e9s politiques et acad\u00e9miques sur cette situation : Kirill Koktych, du minist\u00e8re russe des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res (MGIMO) et le professeur Alexander Domrine, de la High School of Economics<\/em> \u00e0 l’universit\u00e9 de Virginie, aux USA. Nous donnons des extraits assez longs de cet entretien qui nous para\u00eet particuli\u00e8rement int\u00e9ressant. Il s’agit d’observer que l’Ukraine est devenue de jure<\/em> une colonie am\u00e9ricaniste et du bloc BAO (51\u00e8me \u00c9tat de l’Union et parrainage BAO, via UE), qu’elle va r\u00e9p\u00e9ter l’exp\u00e9rience russe (et la sienne propre d’ailleurs) des ann\u00e9es 1990, c’est-\u00e0-dire r\u00e9p\u00e9ter encore et encore les m\u00eames erreurs pour les m\u00eames r\u00e9sultats catastrophiques, etc. Il semble que l’erreur catastrophique soit le gage de la confiance que le Syst\u00e8me peut accorder \u00e0 un CV, et qu’une psychologie basse et sans la moindre dignit\u00e9 (Saakachvili, ex-pr\u00e9sident g\u00e9orgien, qui va exercer une influence importante en Ukraine, comme conseiller du pr\u00e9sident en liaison avec la tro\u00efka<\/em> des \u00e9trangers) un dipl\u00f4me d’excellence pour conduire ces m\u00eames erreurs \u00e0 leur terme catastrophique… Nous donnons de larges extraits de l’entretien, au cours duquel les intervenants apportent d’int\u00e9ressantes pr\u00e9cisions, y compris sur les \u00e9v\u00e9nements pass\u00e9s qui inspirent ceux d’aujourd’hui en Ukraine.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tKirill Koktych<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abActually, this is a very special practice. Usually foreigners are invited to deal with the problems in a way for which nobody would say thank you. That means that actually those positions are usually reserved for those actors and everything that they would do, would produce hardship for the rest of the citizens. That means that the first reason to invite foreigners is just to secure your own internal political players, because usually the foreigners are invited when you have to do something extremely unpopular.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbThe second reason, for example, if you are getting a foreign financing. That means that a foreigner would be in charge of the money flow. And, probably, both of these reasons are relevant to explain the current situation with the Poroshenko’s Government. As far as I know, the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Economy are the positions that should be responsible for the money flows from the outside and for the monetization of the Ukrainian economy, which is actually half destroyed, on the other hand. So, that means that, probably, those foreigners would be both the controllers of the money flows and, on the other side, these persons should be blamed tomorrow for everything bad that occurs in Ukraine.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbUsually, semi-independent states are doing this. We can remember the Russian example when the Russian privatization was done by the foreign hands under the foreigners’ advice. The result of the privatization was the illegitimate business in Russia. And it is a problem we are suffering up to now. In some other countries the foreigners are usually invited not because they would be sharing their professionalism, but also their interest. And any executive political player would first of all have his own interest, and not the interest of the country he is working for, because foreigners should be loyal to their native states and not the state that hires them.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tEkaterina Kudachkina <\/em><\/strong> : \u00abSo, Dr. Koktysh, do we need to understand that Ukraine is now de jure turning into some kind of American colony?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tKirill Koktych<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abYes, actually you do, because de facto Ukraine lost its independence last year. It is practically bankrupt and that means that those states who gave money, first of all the US, should take care about how to get their money back and the income as well. And now there is a political control over the Ukrainian debt that was made with the American money. So, actually, yes, the colonization of Ukraine is the system that de facto existed in all the previous years, but not as de jure…<\/em>\u00bb […]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tEkaterina Kudachkina <\/em><\/strong> : \u00abWell, Ms Jaresko has already promised to come up with an ambitious cost-cutting 2015 budget by Dec. 20. Ms Jaresko is a graduate of Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, and Russians still keep special memories of Harvard experts who used to advise the Russian government on privatization campaign of the early 1990-s…<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tAlexander Domrine<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abThinking about Ukraine, I’m thinking not only about this particular event when foreigners were invited to join the Government of Ukraine, but in general, when I think about Ukraine today, it reminds me of Russia back in the 1990’es. Somehow since 1990’es Russia has made a tremendous improvement in its internal politics, in its internal development, in its governmental structure. But let’s take a look at Russia back in the 1990’es. Didn’t we have foreigners in our Government? Was it good for Russia when we had foreigners in the Russian Government? I want to remind you of, let’s say, Boris Berezovsky, who was the citizen of Israel. There was another member of the Russian Government Boris Brevnov, who happened to be the US citizen.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbYou know, what is interesting here, it is not only that Ukraine decided to invite foreigners to join its Government, I’m absolutely sure that those new members of the Ukrainian Government will bring their own staff from their own countries, from other countries of the world. And once again, didn’t we have a similar situation back in the 1990’es here in Russia? Didn’t we have numerous and numerous assistants, advisors and consultants who worked for the Russian Government from other countries of the world? Didn’t Anatoly Chubais surround himself by dozens of American advisors, consultants? Was it good for Russia? I don’t think so.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbJust one detail, I want to remind you of some of those advisors who were invited by Anatoly Chubais form America to assist Russia in its transition to the market economy, in privatization etc. It was one of the most famous scandals back in the 1990’es when the two individuals from the Harvard Institute for International Development Shleifer and Jonathan Hay when they were working as the advisors to the Russian Government, when they were advising the Russian Government on how to transfer Russia into a civilized market economy, what did they do?<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbTheir program received $58 million from the US Government to assist Russia in the privatization reform. And, of course, it was such a temptation for them when they had some inside information about what enterprises, what factories were supposed to be privatized. It was such a temptation for them that they decided to use that inside information to enrich themselves. They invested money into those enterprises that were supposed to be privatized, basically, to invest their money and get back their money after the privatization of those enterprises.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n \t\u00bbWhat was even more interesting is that they didn’t invest their own money, they actually invested the money of the US Government the money which was supposed to assist Russia in its transition to a civilized market economy. It was an absolutely incredible scandal. As the result of that scandal not only this program was stopped, but the whole Harvard Institute of International Development. Originally, it was founded by Jeffrey Sachs. The Harvard Institute of International Development was killed. Jeffrey Sachs in disgrace had to move from Harvard to Columbia University. And as the result of that there was a famous trial. Shleifer and Hay were found guilty and they were supposed to pay more than $100 million back to the US Government.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tYou see, when I think about Ukraine today, it reminds me of Russia back in the 1990’es so much. And I don’t think that it was a good idea of the Ukrainian Government to invite those people. I don’t expect any major improvements. And I feel so sorry for my Ukrainian friends.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tEkaterina Kudachkina <\/em><\/strong> : \u00abDo you think that Ukraine eventually would follow the same pattern? How good are the chances that they are going to ultimately gain real independence?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tAlexander Domrine<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abRussia realized that we made huge mistakes back in the 1990’es. That’s why Russia decided not to repeat those mistakes. Unfortunately, Ukraine didn’t learn from our mistakes. And once again, looking at Ukraine back in the 1990’es and at Ukraine today, I have a feeling that this is the kind of groundhog’s day, when the mistakes are being repeated again and again, and nobody wants to correct them.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tEkaterina Kudachkina <\/em><\/strong> : \u00abWhy do you think the people who have already failed on their positions, like Mr. Saakashvili, are positioned to play a role in Ukraine? Haven’t they failed already once?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tAlexander Domrine<\/em><\/strong> : \u00abSome people have no shame. And that’s exactly what I think about Saakashvili. But I believe that it is an even more disgusting position of the Ukrainian Government which invites people like Saakashvili, or people who were so close to Saakashvili, to work for Ukraine today. Those people failed their own country and now they are invited basically to fail another country Ukraine. And that was the decision of the Ukrainian Government. So, it is up to them…<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tD’un certain point de vue, on pourrait dire : qu’y a-t-il d’\u00e9tonnant \u00e0 tout cela ? Les USA\/le bloc BAO continuent leur politique d’investissement (au double sens du terme) et d’h\u00e9g\u00e9monie, sans le moindre souci de la souverainet\u00e9 et de l’ind\u00e9pendance nationales. Ils sont guid\u00e9s dans cette voie, et par le sens des bonnes affaires, mais cela consid\u00e9r\u00e9 plut\u00f4t comme un r\u00e9flexe pavlovien car il reste \u00e0 nous prouver que l’Irak et la Libye, par exemple, sont les si bonnes affaires qu’on annon\u00e7ait ; et, surtout<\/strong>, par cette \u00e9trange psychologie<\/a> am\u00e9ricaniste d\u00e9sormais \u00e9tendue au bloc BAO (inculpabilit\u00e9, ind\u00e9fectibilit\u00e9, exceptionnalisme, etc.) qui les fait se consid\u00e9rer si compl\u00e8tement \u00e0 part qu’ils n’imaginent pas une seconde qu’un pays-vassal (pays destin\u00e9s \u00e0 \u00eatre vassaux : ROW, ou the Rest Of the World<\/em>) ne puisse attendre avec une reconnaissance sans limite, saupoudr\u00e9e de quelques $millions\/$milliards o millions\/milliards, l’investissement par les normes et les divers bureaucrates-proconsuls venus des USA ou de l’UE, directement ou indirectement. (Inutile de pr\u00e9ciser, mais pr\u00e9cisions-le tout de m\u00eame, que nous consid\u00e9rons les Abromavicius et autre Kvitachvili comme des am\u00e9ricanistes avec faux-nez courant, sp\u00e9cialit\u00e9s des pays de la p\u00e9riph\u00e9rie Ouest de la Russie, avec les liens qu’il faut avec l’UE.)<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tVoici donc un \u00c9tat de l’Union install\u00e9 contre la Russie, tout contre… Mais quel \u00c9tat ! L’Ukraine sortie de l’URSS a connu la m\u00eame temp\u00eate que l’URSS r\u00e9duite \u00e0 la Russie (Domrine donne d’int\u00e9ressantes et \u00e9difiantes pr\u00e9cisions \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard), la m\u00eame avalanche de corruption, pour d\u00e9boucher, en lieu et place d’un Poutine, sur une sorte de monstre qu’on pourrait d\u00e9signer, par exemple, comme une d\u00e9moligarchie de type f\u00e9odal, avec son territoire partag\u00e9 entre oligarques ; puis l’Euromaidan<\/em>, sous la houlette de l’UE pour mettre dans ses transes menstruelles notre brave BHL ; jusqu’\u00e0 la situation actuelle o\u00f9 une nouvelle vague type-ann\u00e9es 1990 se pr\u00e9pare, mais dans un contexte si diff\u00e9rent … Cette fois, la guerre couve et gronde, gronde et couve c’est selon, sur son Est, et une puissante force ultranationaliste\/nazi renforce continuellement ses positions et exerce une terreur quotidienne et banalis\u00e9e. Au milieu de tout cela, le peuple de l’Ukraine-Kiev qui est en train de sombrer dans l’enfer lib\u00e9ral, qui commence \u00e0 avoir froid, qui se dirige vers le destin d\u00e9j\u00e0 exp\u00e9riment\u00e9 par la Gr\u00e8ce, mais pos\u00e9 sur un baril de poudre entour\u00e9 d’\u00e9clairs qui ne demandent qu’\u00e0 jouer leur r\u00f4le de d\u00e9tonateurs d’incendies suppl\u00e9mentaires. On ajoutera \u00e9videmment les agitateurs ext\u00e9rieurs, les Polonais, les Baltes, l’OTAN, les USA \u00e9videmment, qui agissent sans aucun souci de coh\u00e9rence ni de coh\u00e9sion puisque l’agitation qu’ils entretiennent, m\u00eame tourn\u00e9e contre la Russie, nourrit d’abord une atmosph\u00e8re explosive \u00e0 l’int\u00e9rieur de l’Ukraine-Kiev elle-m\u00eame. Au contraire, le r\u00e9gime de l’encan qui va \u00eatre impos\u00e9 \u00e0 l’Ukraine-kiev, qui lui est d\u00e9j\u00e0 impos\u00e9e alors qu’elle se trouve en \u00e9tat de d\u00e9composition, n\u00e9cessiterait soit l’enthousiasme des r\u00e9volutions culturelles entretenues au feu des illusions modernistes (voir le passage sur cette p\u00e9riode dans le texte de Dimitri Sokolov-Mitrich, du 22 novembre 2014<\/a>), soit la r\u00e9signation et la discipline des d\u00e9mocraties qui ne rechignent pas devant un autoritarisme ma\u00eetris\u00e9, pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 comme une n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 pour le bien-\u00eatre \u00e0 venir de la population (les lendemains qui chantent de l’ultralib\u00e9ralisme). Rien de cela en Ukraine ; l’anarchie, la corruption et la terreur y r\u00e8gnent d\u00e9j\u00e0, comme apr\u00e8s un programme de mise \u00e0 l’encan, alors que ce programme, justement producteur d’anarchie sociale et \u00e9conomique, ne fait que commencer.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n \tColonis\u00e9e, l’Ukraine ? Certes, mais d’une colonisation de la plus absurde des fa\u00e7ons, une colonisation qui ajoute le d\u00e9sordre au d\u00e9sordre et risque de d\u00e9boucher sur l’hyper-d\u00e9sordre se muant en force antiSyst\u00e8me… Quoi qu’il en soit l’Ukraine est plus que jamais le d\u00e9tonateur \u00e0 effets multiples des phases successives de la grande crise d’effondrement du Syst\u00e8me. Elle est l\u00e0 pour entretenir toutes les tensions, entre les principaux acteurs du d\u00e9sordre mondial et selon les lignes de l’affrontement entre le syst\u00e8me et les forces antiSyst\u00e8me. La Grande Crise de notre temps a trouv\u00e9 l\u00e0 l’il de son cyclone, qui ne se fermera plus tant que cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement ne sera pas parvenu \u00e0 son paroxysme.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n \tMis en ligne le 13 d\u00e9cembre 2014 \u00e0 17H15<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" L’Ukraine, 51\u00e8me \u00c9tat de l’Union, avec parrainage BAO On ne change surtout, surtout pas une formule qui s’est av\u00e9r\u00e9e catastrophique. Ainsi, l’Ukraine consid\u00e9r\u00e9e selon la prospective d’un \u00e9conomiste-Syst\u00e8me comme si le reste n’existait pas, ni l’histoire ni l’exp\u00e9rience, va-t-elle conna\u00eetre un traitement type Russie-des-ann\u00e9es-1990, mais dans des conditions infiniment pires. 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