{"id":75680,"date":"2014-12-30T14:28:04","date_gmt":"2014-12-30T14:28:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/12\/30\/la-hongrie-contre-les-usa\/"},"modified":"2014-12-30T14:28:04","modified_gmt":"2014-12-30T14:28:04","slug":"la-hongrie-contre-les-usa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2014\/12\/30\/la-hongrie-contre-les-usa\/","title":{"rendered":"La Hongrie contre les USA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h4 class=\"breve-de-crise\">La Hongrie contre les USA<\/h4>\n<p>Il y a une avalanche de d\u00e9clarations, de prises de position, etc., faites en Hongrie contre les USA. De l&rsquo;accusation lanc\u00e9e contre les USA de tenter de fomenter un nouveau <em>Maidan<\/em> type-ukrainien en Hongrie, on en arrive \u00e0 des jugements extr\u00eames mettant en cause toute la politique US, son caract\u00e8re belliciste, son m\u00e9pris total pour la souverainet\u00e9, son irrationalit\u00e9 d\u00e9structurante, etc. Coup sur coup, <em>Russian Insider<\/em> (RI) publie trois textes, dont deux interviews de personnalit\u00e9s politiques de premier plan, qui constituent des mises en cause gravissimes de la politique des USA, et implicitement jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 la mise en cause concr\u00e8te de la durabilit\u00e9 et de l&rsquo;int\u00e9r\u00eat pour la Hongrie de son actuelle alliance avec les USA, au moins par le biais de l&rsquo;OTAN.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tLes trois textes sont du <a href=\"http:\/\/russia-insider.com\/en\/2014\/12\/28\/2164\" class=\"gen\">28 d\u00e9cembre 2014<\/a> : \u00ab<em>Hungary Press Fears US-Made Maidan in Budapest  US embassy charge in Budapest, Andre Goodfriend has attended anti-government demonstrations<\/em>\u00bb, du <a href=\"http:\/\/russia-insider.com\/en\/2015\/12\/29\/2171\" class=\"gen\">29 d\u00e9cembre 2014<\/a> : \u00ab<em>Hungary Government and the US Are Now Adversaries  That is the takeaway from an interview with Janos Lazar, right hand of Hungary Prime Minister<\/em>\u00bb et enfin de ce <a href=\"http:\/\/russia-insider.com\/en\/2015\/12\/30\/2181\" class=\"gen\">30 d\u00e9cembre 2014<\/a> : \u00ab<em>Hungary Seeks Regional Alliance to Defend from US<\/em>\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\tDe ce troisi\u00e8me article, qui est une interview du pr\u00e9sident du Parlement hongrois Laszlo K\u00f6ver,  troisi\u00e8me personnage officiel de la r\u00e9publique hongroise,  nous donnons l&rsquo;abr\u00e9g\u00e9 des questions-r\u00e9ponses que publie RI. La tonalit\u00e9 est si extr\u00eame qu&rsquo;on peut penser que la Hongrie s&rsquo;engage, ou est contrainte par ses propres notions souveraines de s&rsquo;engager de plus en plus dans une politique de rupture, largement justifi\u00e9e par les pressions et les ing\u00e9rences formidables qu&rsquo;elle subit de la part des USA. Les questions devraient finir par se poser de savoir comment la Hongrie pourrait demeurer longtemps dans l&rsquo;OTAN avec une telle position ; comment une \u00e9preuve de force sous telle ou telle pr\u00e9texte ne pourrait pas surgir \u00e0 un moment ou l&rsquo;autre ; comment une telle situation charg\u00e9e d&rsquo;une telle tension pourrait ne pas avoir des r\u00e9percussions s\u00e9rieuses, sinon tr\u00e8s graves, au sein de l&rsquo;OTAN et, bien entendu, au sein de l&rsquo;UE. Certes, nous sommes dans la Grande Guerre Postmoderne qui se fait essentiellement par la communication et qui ne d\u00e9daigne pas d&rsquo;opposer des alli\u00e9s entre eux, mais cette voie n&#8217;emp\u00eache nullement les prolongements et les d\u00e9nouements brutaux (Ukraine).<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Question<\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>Pressure from the United States is increasing, while the European Union appears to be restrained and is not attacking us. How do you interpret these events?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em> Laszlo K\u00f6ver <\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>The recent pronouncements of American deputy foreign secretary Sarah Sewall are very revealing. She has spoken openly and stridently about how the United States, interpreted quite broadly and specifically, is devoting millions of dollars in the interest of national security to executing various action plans in two dozen Eastern-European countries. Part of these are certainly EU member states, and the rest may be aspiring member states, although Sewall only mentioned the Czech Republic and us by name. So far it appears that we are not the only ones to put bad wood on the fire but presumably Slovakia as well, but we cannot rule out the results of the Romanian presidential election playing a role in this.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>From this we can deduce a self definition of power that from the national security point of view there is not a square centimeter of area that falls outside of their interests. From this it also follows that apart from them no other country can have sovereignty. The recent events cannot be distinguished from when they monitored the conversations of the leading politician of the Western European alliance, Angela Merkel.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>It is a logical assumption that among the United States&rsquo; allies, the field of activities that can be qualified as unconventional affect not only Hungary but all of Europe. They boasted that they invested millions of dollars in changes in Ukraine. We have to look at the problems of the free trade and investment agreement between the Union and America as well. In this way it is apparent that a world political power struggle is under way, whose stake is not only the fate of Hungary but all of Europe, but the chance of European nation-state sovereignty and true democracy.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Question<\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>What can we do in this situation? Can we do anything at all?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em> Laszlo K\u00f6ver <\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>We can shake off the moral burden of believing the solution is in our hands. It is completely unnecessary, because it is hopeless, to make diplomatic efforts in the interest of proving to the Americans  to transpose the old communist phraseology to suit our situation todaywe are not revisionist deviationists, and it is not necessary to send troops in the spirit of the Brezhnev doctrine to regulate us.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>We are not what is at stake. On the chess table we have only been assigned the role of pawn. But we are moving like a pawn that does not want to play by the Americans&rsquo; rules. We were never too good at diplomacy. We needn&rsquo;t work on making the Americans love us now either. We need to find allies elsewhere. Those with whom we row in the same boat, even on the lower decks. They are the Eastern and Central European countries. Resolving the Hungarian question in Slovakia and Romania should not be the policy of the first order.<\/em> <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>We may consider whether they share with us the most important challengeseconomic and social problems. Having won membership (in the EU) is it not our mutual goal to emancipate ourselves within the framework of the European Union? Hungarian diplomacy must concentrate on this and a strategic cooperation with Germany.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Question<\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>Do the Americans represent the logic of war?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em> Laszlo K\u00f6ver <\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>It seems totally irrational logic is starting to run the world. Petty, selfish people not suitable for the political arena are twisting the fate of countries and peoples from North Africa to the Central-East back to Europe, according to what appears to be a long-term strategy, but is really only according to momentary interests.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>We had some peaceful years when it was possible to believe that a unipolar world system had emerged. But now we see that this is not the case, and that the United States must still fight the emerging, formerly third world powers, and new rivals and Russia. They do not want to be subordinate, and neither does Europe. So the Pax Americana has not come to pass. The current conflicts arise from this.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t\u00bb<em>In the same way the Americans pushed aside at the time of the Iraq war their allies, NATO, and placed in brackets both international law and human rights, which they used by the way as a political club.<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Question<\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>But what is their goal?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em> Laszlo K\u00f6ver <\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<MI>It seems that they will not be satisfied with another government taking the place of the current one, but are thinking in terms of changing the entire elite of the governing party and the opposition. Until its disappearance SZDSZ was the party that served the policies of the United States and was their advocate in Hungary. When they fell, the Americans tried to bring (upstart liberal party Politics Can Be Different) LMP to life. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em>Question<\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>Have you seen such potential politicians from which it is possible to create the next elite?<\/em>\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>\t<strong><em> Laszlo K\u00f6ver <\/em><\/strong> : \u00ab<em>Perhaps they want to draw them from the wage strikes of doubtful means of support in their USSR pullovers, Lenin hats and promoting the liberalization of drugs.<\/em>\u00bb [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><p>\tMis en ligne le 30 d\u00e9cembre 2014 \u00e0 14H25<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La Hongrie contre les USA Il y a une avalanche de d\u00e9clarations, de prises de position, etc., faites en Hongrie contre les USA. De l&rsquo;accusation lanc\u00e9e contre les USA de tenter de fomenter un nouveau Maidan type-ukrainien en Hongrie, on en arrive \u00e0 des jugements extr\u00eames mettant en cause toute la politique US, son caract\u00e8re&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[5907,5530,4372,3490,16291,16290,2945,584,2804],"class_list":["post-75680","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breves-de-crise","tag-budapest","tag-hongrie","tag-ingerence","tag-interventionnisme","tag-kover","tag-laszlo","tag-maidan","tag-otan","tag-usa"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75680","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75680"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75680\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75680"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75680"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75680"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}