{"id":76182,"date":"2015-10-20T11:42:55","date_gmt":"2015-10-20T11:42:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2015\/10\/20\/les-russes-en-syrie-selon-fisk\/"},"modified":"2015-10-20T11:42:55","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T11:42:55","slug":"les-russes-en-syrie-selon-fisk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/new.dedefensa.org\/index.php\/2015\/10\/20\/les-russes-en-syrie-selon-fisk\/","title":{"rendered":"Les Russes en Syrie, selon Fisk&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><h2 class=\"titleset_b.deepblue\" style=\"color:#0f3955; font-size:1.65em; font-variant:small-caps\">Les Russes en Syrie, selon Fisk&#8230;<\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>Robert Fisk, solide reporteur de <em>The Independent<\/em> notamment, sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9 dans les questions du Moyen-Orient, notoirement anti-interventionniste et antiam\u00e9ricaniste mais avec parfois quelques faiblesses pour Isra\u00ebl, est id\u00e9alement plac\u00e9 pour donner un avis sur la position des Russes hors des sp\u00e9culations militaires des \u00ab\u00a0sp\u00e9cialistes\u00a0\u00bb. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.informationclearinghouse.info\/article43184.htm\">Son avis est cat\u00e9gorique <\/a>: les Russes occupent une position puissante et dominatrice dans la r\u00e9gion, et ils suivent comme premier but de redonner \u00e0 l&rsquo;arm\u00e9e syrienne sa puissance initiale pour parvenir, avec elle, \u00e0 la liquidation des groupes terroristes. Fisk ne doute pas une seconde que l&rsquo;intervention russe va redonner \u00e0 l&rsquo;arm\u00e9e syrienne une puissance qui fera d&rsquo;elle la premi\u00e8re arm\u00e9e en capacit\u00e9s de la r\u00e9gion : &laquo; <em>We employed our own army of clich\u00e9s to make the case for regime change. The Syrian army was losing ground &ndash; at Jisr al-Shugour and at Palmyra &ndash; and so we predicted that the whole Assad state had reached a \u00ab\u00a0tipping point\u00a0\u00bb. Then along came Vladimir Putin with his air and missile fleets and suddenly the whole place is transformed<\/em>&#8230; [&#8230;] [T]<em>here is one factor which should not be overlooked. If it wins &ndash; and if it holds together and if its manpower, which is admittedly at a low level, can be maintained &ndash; then the Syrian military is going to come out of this current war as the most ruthless, battle-trained and battle-hardened Arab army in the entire region. Woe betide any of its neighbours who forget this<\/em>. &raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>En d\u00e9crivant le fonctionnement extr\u00eamement \u00e9labor\u00e9 de la coordination entre les forces a\u00e9riennes russes et les troupes syriennes, Fisk mentionne la fa\u00e7on dont les Russes assurent d\u00e9sormais la \u00ab\u00a0police du ciel\u00a0\u00bb en Syrie, notamment vis-\u00e0-vis des Isra\u00e9liens. Cette appr\u00e9ciation de Fisk, qui a beaucoup de contact en Isra\u00ebl, rencontre diverses indications dans ce sens, tout comme elle tend \u00e0 accr\u00e9diter une tr\u00e8s r\u00e9cente <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ynetnews.com\/articles\/0,7340,L-4712443,00.html\">indication venue<\/a> de <em>Ynet.News<\/em> et <a href=\"http:\/\/russia-insider.com\/en\/politics\/report-russia-blocked-israeli-overflight-syria-lebanon\/ri10582\">reprise<\/a> notamment par <em>Russia Insider<\/em> ce 20 octobre, selon laquelle les Russes ont bloqu\u00e9 le vol d&rsquo;un avion isra\u00e9lien vers la fronti\u00e8re syrienne et ont averti leurs interlocuteurs isra\u00e9liens par leur canal commun de coordination, cela \u00e9tant suivi par un changement de cap imm\u00e9diat, type volte-face, de l&rsquo;avion isra\u00e9lien.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&laquo; <em>Syrian commanders are now setting the coordinates for almost every Russian air strike. They were originally giving between 200 and 400 coordinates a night. Now the figure sometimes reaches 800. Not that the Russians are going after every map reference, of course. The Syrians have found that the Russians do not want to fire at targets in built-up areas; they intend to leave burning hospitals and dead wedding parties to the Americans in Afghanistan. This policy could always change, of course. No air force bombs countries without killing civilians. Nor without crossing other people&rsquo;s frontiers.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>&raquo; <em>But the Russians are now telling the Turks &ndash; and by logical extension, this information must go to the Americans &ndash; their flight coordinates. Even more remarkable, they have set up a hotline communications system between their base on the Syrian Mediterranean coast and the Israeli ministry of defence in Tel Aviv. More incredible still is that the Israelis &ndash; who have a habit of targeting Syrian and Iranian personnel near the Golan Heights &ndash; have suddenly disappeared from the skies. In other words, the Russians are involved in a big operation, not a one-month wonder that is going on in Syria. And it is likely to continue for quite a time&#8230;<\/em> &raquo;<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><p>Mis en ligne le 20 octobre 2015 \u00e0 11H45<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les Russes en Syrie, selon Fisk&#8230; Robert Fisk, solide reporteur de The Independent notamment, sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9 dans les questions du Moyen-Orient, notoirement anti-interventionniste et antiam\u00e9ricaniste mais avec parfois quelques faiblesses pour Isra\u00ebl, est id\u00e9alement plac\u00e9 pour donner un avis sur la position des Russes hors des sp\u00e9culations militaires des \u00ab\u00a0sp\u00e9cialistes\u00a0\u00bb. 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